i lost social security check,due to warrant in washington only,then lost my apartment,unable to pay for medications,diebetic had strokescontacted washingtonseattle,same day say they to busy,because of over 200 other warrants same waypeople loosing social security checks behind it,loosing housing and medications,wanted to turn myself in they say they wont come and get me now im on the street cant afford food housing or medication and they dont want me,say they wont be responsible for my health and now social security wants back all the money they gave me since strokes and loss of memory thats since 1995 i think,drove a guy to tex and alabama from washington,he gave me credit card to get back to seattle then had me arrested for it and he laughed about it said he didnt want to pay credit card and they wouldnt do anything to me,wish now id just payed my own way back and wrote it off as a good deed done as he stayed drunk all the way because he had just lost his pilots licence,need advise
Lost social security due to warrant in washington because i had a warrant,no other reason?
Whole story sounds fishy to me -- They do not pay ss to convicted felons but a warrant ? You could turn yourself in to a cop on the street corner and if there is indeed a warrant he must arrest you and take you to jail where you would be warm and fed.
Where did you get the computer and Internet access on the street ?
Reply:Here's an idea:
Get rid of the warrant by turning yourself in.
Let your social security payments accumulate.
When you get out of the clink, you'll have a little nest egg waiting for you.
The only thing you have left to do is STOP BREAKING THE LAW!
Tuesday, July 20, 2010
MMORPGS and Social Skills?
With MMORPGS currently on a huge upward trend throughout all age categories, and many of these games becoming highly addictive, people are beginning to spend more and more time immersing themselves into these virtual worlds.
With some of these games, in specific World of Warcraft having a very social network involved. Do you feel that these games could possibly have a positive Social impact?
I am an avid gamer of World of Warcraft, but I am also 22 years old, maintain an excellent fulltime job, and have an outside social life.
I am primarily interested in the impact of people who fully immerse themselves in the game, and maintain a decent social interaction ingame.
MMORPGS and Social Skills?
MMORPGs have the same impacts as any society. It really is a society. Folks can get destructively addicted and let their RL connections fall away in favor of the games connections. You see the same thing happen with groups of friends, with clubs/organizations. So the most common problem is for one member in a couple to get hooked deeply in the game and the other to feel neglected. Many a relationship went down the sink because of gaming, not just MMORPGs.
It can also have postitive impacts. Many people, not only young learn a great deal of social interaction skills from participation in such a society. It can build confidence and depending on the game enhance the ability of a person to work in a team, stratigize, prioritize and especially leaders in such society learn or sharpen leadership skills. Many MMORPs also help develop negotiation skills. So there are quite a few valuable skills that can be learned or sharpened thorugh MMORPGs. Most people that play them do so and enjoy the experience. Some like KOC can be so time draining to be successful at that it interferes with life to be a top player. Others can be played part time and time invested generally is not as relivant to the level of success.
As added impacts. A number of romantic relationships that carried into RL relationships have developed between people meeting in MMORPGs. Friendships, sometimes even with people local to you that you never would have met if not for the MMORPG. I've heard of job opportunities, allies rooming with each other or providing other such goods and services for their fellows in need. Help finding work and a host of other functions that any society should play for it's members. So MMORPGs do touch the RL for some people. Both positive and negitive.
Reply:my sister is 14 years old. she plays a game called "maplestory." i dont get whats so popular with the games.anyway, she failed so many classes, been cutting class, lying to her friends/family/me. she has lost the trust that i entrusted in her.
Reply:as a 33 soon to be 34 year old player of Endless Online which is very similar to World of Warcraft and in the same boat as you ( i hold down a full time job as a social advocate for homeless and poor with most of my clients being special needs people and maintaining a decent social life playing in real life pool leagues and mixed martial arts tournaments and hanging with friends on weekends)
i find there are positive aspects of MMORPGS like i not only chat on Endless Online but maintain close friendships globally and potential business contacts later on in the game where I would normally not make such encounters across the planet or have the opportunity to do so (my best friends who also play the game are in poland. russia, canada and the dominican republic)
so that is the positive aspects i can see from the rise in popularity of MMORPGS
since chat rooms are a dying artform due to pedophilia, bots, virus code booters and spammers I believe MMORPGS are the next popular evolution of that sort of chat rooms taken to the next level and should also be applauded for taking that next courageous step
Hope that helped
Reply:I think its more the cost on time. However I have friends from all over the world from wasting time on games. My friend is going to norway this week to meet someone he met playing WoW. He came over here (to UK) last october and lots of fun was had by all.
This Generation could lead us further to more international understanding if we have links all over the world, or could not.
With some of these games, in specific World of Warcraft having a very social network involved. Do you feel that these games could possibly have a positive Social impact?
I am an avid gamer of World of Warcraft, but I am also 22 years old, maintain an excellent fulltime job, and have an outside social life.
I am primarily interested in the impact of people who fully immerse themselves in the game, and maintain a decent social interaction ingame.
MMORPGS and Social Skills?
MMORPGs have the same impacts as any society. It really is a society. Folks can get destructively addicted and let their RL connections fall away in favor of the games connections. You see the same thing happen with groups of friends, with clubs/organizations. So the most common problem is for one member in a couple to get hooked deeply in the game and the other to feel neglected. Many a relationship went down the sink because of gaming, not just MMORPGs.
It can also have postitive impacts. Many people, not only young learn a great deal of social interaction skills from participation in such a society. It can build confidence and depending on the game enhance the ability of a person to work in a team, stratigize, prioritize and especially leaders in such society learn or sharpen leadership skills. Many MMORPs also help develop negotiation skills. So there are quite a few valuable skills that can be learned or sharpened thorugh MMORPGs. Most people that play them do so and enjoy the experience. Some like KOC can be so time draining to be successful at that it interferes with life to be a top player. Others can be played part time and time invested generally is not as relivant to the level of success.
As added impacts. A number of romantic relationships that carried into RL relationships have developed between people meeting in MMORPGs. Friendships, sometimes even with people local to you that you never would have met if not for the MMORPG. I've heard of job opportunities, allies rooming with each other or providing other such goods and services for their fellows in need. Help finding work and a host of other functions that any society should play for it's members. So MMORPGs do touch the RL for some people. Both positive and negitive.
Reply:my sister is 14 years old. she plays a game called "maplestory." i dont get whats so popular with the games.anyway, she failed so many classes, been cutting class, lying to her friends/family/me. she has lost the trust that i entrusted in her.
Reply:as a 33 soon to be 34 year old player of Endless Online which is very similar to World of Warcraft and in the same boat as you ( i hold down a full time job as a social advocate for homeless and poor with most of my clients being special needs people and maintaining a decent social life playing in real life pool leagues and mixed martial arts tournaments and hanging with friends on weekends)
i find there are positive aspects of MMORPGS like i not only chat on Endless Online but maintain close friendships globally and potential business contacts later on in the game where I would normally not make such encounters across the planet or have the opportunity to do so (my best friends who also play the game are in poland. russia, canada and the dominican republic)
so that is the positive aspects i can see from the rise in popularity of MMORPGS
since chat rooms are a dying artform due to pedophilia, bots, virus code booters and spammers I believe MMORPGS are the next popular evolution of that sort of chat rooms taken to the next level and should also be applauded for taking that next courageous step
Hope that helped
Reply:I think its more the cost on time. However I have friends from all over the world from wasting time on games. My friend is going to norway this week to meet someone he met playing WoW. He came over here (to UK) last october and lots of fun was had by all.
This Generation could lead us further to more international understanding if we have links all over the world, or could not.
Voluntary Social Security?
Just curious, who would support voluntary participation in Social Security? In other words, you would have the option to waive all rights to Social Security benefits, and in return, you would not pay a dime in Social Security taxes. Again, this would be completely voluntary. If you want the benefits, you pay the tax, otherwise you keep your money and you get no benefits, no matter what.
Would anyone support such an option? So each citizen would have the freedom to choose.
Please keep it civil people, I'm just trying to get a feel for how people feel on the subject. Let's be adults and keep the useless name calling to a minimum.
Voluntary Social Security?
As far as I am concerned SS is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American Worker.
I have run the numbers and with compounded interest on the moneys I paid in SS taxes my bank account would be large enough that I could draw about 4 1/2 times my SS benefit and never touch the principal in the account.
Unfortunately I am too old to benefit from ANY reform. All I can do is continue to buy Preparation H and pray for it to sooth the past violations.
Reply:What they need to do is grant each person money from birth in a bank account earning market interest rates, and over the years people can add to it but never take from it until retirement.
The banks would fund the growth here and not the government.
If they keep things as they are I would like to see them give contributors a small amount of control over a portion of our SS so we could put it in federal and municipal bonds at a better interest rate.
Reply:The problem with that, is the huge number of people who would opt OUT of social security, and then later on in life would still not having anything saved.
In a fair world, they would either continue to work or starve to death. But sometimes fairness isn't humane, so mandatory social security is there for those who will need it, regardless of whether or not they want it earlier in life.
Reply:i think it should be voluntary. since anyones attempts to help you comes normaly with a price tag of disbelief in G-D. i do not want, or need your pretend true help. since i only want G-D'S true true help. i do not want to support any of your social religions of man, as a domesticated animal. which is forbidden by my religion. i do not even want to live in this world so totaly without HIS LOVE. but like all of you i do not get a choice, wheather i am born here again in TheTorah or not.
Reply:it would never happen
what you pay in now is paying the people collecting now
Reply:Well I can see how this would be a good idea considering all the rumors about how by the time my generation is ready to retire the social security system will practically be completely gone. (I'M in the MTV generation (23)). So yeah why am I paying into the ss funds if i'll never see any of it. BUT by me paying into it I am helping somebody RIGHT? the mentally handicapped and the NOW elderly that need it so i'm doing good by not doing anything really. I guess it depends on how much i'm actually putting into social security. If i looked at my w2 at the end of the year and it said i'm paying like I don't know $20,000 (which i'm not) in social security then dang why lie i'd probably opt out of it and put that money to work for me somewhere else. If my w2 said I was paying like $200 into social security lets see for the next 40ish years then I don't know maybe its better to help others.
Reply:I honestly don't care. The government has not been handling the SS tax properly since it's been created. Even if I did decide to keep an account, by the time I get to retirement they won't have any money left because they keep using it for other purposes. I would elect not to have that account and just put that much more money a paycheck into my 401K. It'll never happen, tho, life just doesn't work that way.
Reply:Hey, that's a good point. Seriously I would rather opt out and save up my own money just because I'm 23 and I'm now insecure that I won't get the benefits in which I'm paying for right now.
Reply:Voluntary social security would further the breakdown
of the middle class who ultimatley would ,on many levels
take resposibility for those who waived their rights to it.
Would anyone support such an option? So each citizen would have the freedom to choose.
Please keep it civil people, I'm just trying to get a feel for how people feel on the subject. Let's be adults and keep the useless name calling to a minimum.
Voluntary Social Security?
As far as I am concerned SS is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American Worker.
I have run the numbers and with compounded interest on the moneys I paid in SS taxes my bank account would be large enough that I could draw about 4 1/2 times my SS benefit and never touch the principal in the account.
Unfortunately I am too old to benefit from ANY reform. All I can do is continue to buy Preparation H and pray for it to sooth the past violations.
Reply:What they need to do is grant each person money from birth in a bank account earning market interest rates, and over the years people can add to it but never take from it until retirement.
The banks would fund the growth here and not the government.
If they keep things as they are I would like to see them give contributors a small amount of control over a portion of our SS so we could put it in federal and municipal bonds at a better interest rate.
Reply:The problem with that, is the huge number of people who would opt OUT of social security, and then later on in life would still not having anything saved.
In a fair world, they would either continue to work or starve to death. But sometimes fairness isn't humane, so mandatory social security is there for those who will need it, regardless of whether or not they want it earlier in life.
Reply:i think it should be voluntary. since anyones attempts to help you comes normaly with a price tag of disbelief in G-D. i do not want, or need your pretend true help. since i only want G-D'S true true help. i do not want to support any of your social religions of man, as a domesticated animal. which is forbidden by my religion. i do not even want to live in this world so totaly without HIS LOVE. but like all of you i do not get a choice, wheather i am born here again in TheTorah or not.
Reply:it would never happen
what you pay in now is paying the people collecting now
Reply:Well I can see how this would be a good idea considering all the rumors about how by the time my generation is ready to retire the social security system will practically be completely gone. (I'M in the MTV generation (23)). So yeah why am I paying into the ss funds if i'll never see any of it. BUT by me paying into it I am helping somebody RIGHT? the mentally handicapped and the NOW elderly that need it so i'm doing good by not doing anything really. I guess it depends on how much i'm actually putting into social security. If i looked at my w2 at the end of the year and it said i'm paying like I don't know $20,000 (which i'm not) in social security then dang why lie i'd probably opt out of it and put that money to work for me somewhere else. If my w2 said I was paying like $200 into social security lets see for the next 40ish years then I don't know maybe its better to help others.
Reply:I honestly don't care. The government has not been handling the SS tax properly since it's been created. Even if I did decide to keep an account, by the time I get to retirement they won't have any money left because they keep using it for other purposes. I would elect not to have that account and just put that much more money a paycheck into my 401K. It'll never happen, tho, life just doesn't work that way.
Reply:Hey, that's a good point. Seriously I would rather opt out and save up my own money just because I'm 23 and I'm now insecure that I won't get the benefits in which I'm paying for right now.
Reply:Voluntary social security would further the breakdown
of the middle class who ultimatley would ,on many levels
take resposibility for those who waived their rights to it.
Why is social security ok for all the rest but NOT deducted from our senators and representatives?
"The People" have no set social security retirement. Ours is dependent on the contributions we and our employers make. Our government reps/sen have a monthly retirement we would all love to have and do not contribute to social security. If social security is good enough for "the people" it should be good enough for the people we elect to represent us. Had the government deducted ss from all our reps, and they had to invest/save etc as we do, our ongoing retirement debt would not be so high, and there would be alot more money in social security.
Why is social security ok for all the rest but NOT deducted from our senators and representatives?
It is deducted from Senators and Representatives now, unless they have been around since it was changed roughly 25 years ago (sometime during the Reagan administration). At one time they were a part of a Federal Employees Pension Plan which excluded them from social security.
I believe some union pension members (generally state employees) and preachers/priests are the only ones who can file for exemption anymore.
Reply:Well, yeah, that's in there with a whole bunch of other stuff, like why are lobbyists writing our legislation, why is the electoral college still in existence, you know, stuff like that...??? I don't think it's OK at all, and they sure do get a nice retirement package, don't they??? And they don't even have to vote the way their constituents want them too...they don't even have to show up for votes if they don't want to!!!
Reply:It's a "C" word.
Like "Corruption," or "Clinton," or "Communism," or... go look up your own list.
Reply:Where else can you work for 4 years and be guaranteed full pay for life? Do you think they are going to vote themselves out of such a sweet deal?
Look at the Clinton's. Hillary needed residence in New York to become senator there. So, they buy a mansion there and put a guest house in the back yard for the secret service to use. The rent the secret service pays covers the mortgage payment on the mansion. They get free house, free security and full president and senator pay for as long as either of them is alive. That says nothing about royalties they get from the fouls that buy their book or pay to hear their lies in person.
Reply:Beccause State employees are smart enough not to be part of a mondo Ponzi Scheme.
Reply:The quick answer is that politicians pass laws for us - they are FAR too important to actually live under such restraints!
Politicians holding your Social Security contributions is literally the fox guarding the chicken coop.
Give him his due...Bush made a valid attempt for folks to have the OPTION to invest some of their own money...the leeches in the Houses - both parties - would have none of it.
A pox on both their houses.
Reply:Indeed! They will retire with millions and we will have nothing. it is not a fair system is it?
dds
Why is social security ok for all the rest but NOT deducted from our senators and representatives?
It is deducted from Senators and Representatives now, unless they have been around since it was changed roughly 25 years ago (sometime during the Reagan administration). At one time they were a part of a Federal Employees Pension Plan which excluded them from social security.
I believe some union pension members (generally state employees) and preachers/priests are the only ones who can file for exemption anymore.
Reply:Well, yeah, that's in there with a whole bunch of other stuff, like why are lobbyists writing our legislation, why is the electoral college still in existence, you know, stuff like that...??? I don't think it's OK at all, and they sure do get a nice retirement package, don't they??? And they don't even have to vote the way their constituents want them too...they don't even have to show up for votes if they don't want to!!!
Reply:It's a "C" word.
Like "Corruption," or "Clinton," or "Communism," or... go look up your own list.
Reply:Where else can you work for 4 years and be guaranteed full pay for life? Do you think they are going to vote themselves out of such a sweet deal?
Look at the Clinton's. Hillary needed residence in New York to become senator there. So, they buy a mansion there and put a guest house in the back yard for the secret service to use. The rent the secret service pays covers the mortgage payment on the mansion. They get free house, free security and full president and senator pay for as long as either of them is alive. That says nothing about royalties they get from the fouls that buy their book or pay to hear their lies in person.
Reply:Beccause State employees are smart enough not to be part of a mondo Ponzi Scheme.
Reply:The quick answer is that politicians pass laws for us - they are FAR too important to actually live under such restraints!
Politicians holding your Social Security contributions is literally the fox guarding the chicken coop.
Give him his due...Bush made a valid attempt for folks to have the OPTION to invest some of their own money...the leeches in the Houses - both parties - would have none of it.
A pox on both their houses.
Reply:Indeed! They will retire with millions and we will have nothing. it is not a fair system is it?
dds
Why does Social Security # take so long? even after i have shown them my EAD. Has been over 6 weeks !?
Basically i went to the SS department the day i got EAD. It's been over 6 weeks and the social security lady say that the Immigration office isn't allowing them to issue me a social security card since apparently i am not quite approved yet. As far as i understood, i was approved since i have EAD and i should get the SS#, but this Social security lady isn't helping. I called INS and one of the immigration officer said that the Social security office might be doing a status check which could take couple of months. You guys have any idea what's going on? I have applied for visa through marriage and i don't really care to get the permanent residency as much but have been desperate to be able to work. Also I graduated as a nurse in florida but i didn't have SS# so they didn't give me a nursing license even though i passed the NCLEX, now i am in California and still waiting for a SS# and then i'll get Florida RN license which will have to be transferred to California RN license, long wait
Why does Social Security # take so long? even after i have shown them my EAD. Has been over 6 weeks !?
It is SSA policy to verify the EAD in the DHS SAVE system to confirm that the EAD is valid %26amp; legit. Which does take many months before the DHS responds to the SSA request.
However, it is also SSA policy that the SSA agent followup on the progress of an EAD verification every 15 days if no response is given before then, which I know for a fact they never do (went through this hassle myself).
All that you can really do is call the SSA office every 15 days and check to see if they have followed up on your EAD verification. If they refuse to do the follow up, speak with the manager and tell them they are not following SSA policy %26amp; procedure. If the manager still is unwilling to comply and followup the verification, then try contacting the SSA Regional Office and report the office for failure to comply with the SSA Policy. Sometimes thats the only way to get any results.
Reply:Sorry, seems SSA has taken that link offline, as my saved links no longer work either and they did the other day. Report It
Reply:Wanna a piece of of cheese to go along with that whine???...Wait, by the way welcome cheese lover
Reply:all i can say is this: the govt gets in NO hurry.. about anything. Just hang in there and wait.. Y don't u want permanent residence.. it may be faster that way. Congrats on passing the NCLEX.. did u tell SS that u couldn't be licensed until u got the number.. maybe it will help..
Why does Social Security # take so long? even after i have shown them my EAD. Has been over 6 weeks !?
It is SSA policy to verify the EAD in the DHS SAVE system to confirm that the EAD is valid %26amp; legit. Which does take many months before the DHS responds to the SSA request.
However, it is also SSA policy that the SSA agent followup on the progress of an EAD verification every 15 days if no response is given before then, which I know for a fact they never do (went through this hassle myself).
All that you can really do is call the SSA office every 15 days and check to see if they have followed up on your EAD verification. If they refuse to do the follow up, speak with the manager and tell them they are not following SSA policy %26amp; procedure. If the manager still is unwilling to comply and followup the verification, then try contacting the SSA Regional Office and report the office for failure to comply with the SSA Policy. Sometimes thats the only way to get any results.
Reply:Sorry, seems SSA has taken that link offline, as my saved links no longer work either and they did the other day. Report It
Reply:Wanna a piece of of cheese to go along with that whine???...Wait, by the way welcome cheese lover
Reply:all i can say is this: the govt gets in NO hurry.. about anything. Just hang in there and wait.. Y don't u want permanent residence.. it may be faster that way. Congrats on passing the NCLEX.. did u tell SS that u couldn't be licensed until u got the number.. maybe it will help..
Social Security Number?
Why exactly do Employers do when you give them your social security #? Do they do a background check? What can it possibly show? Any help on these questions would be great. Thanks
Social Security Number?
Your employer is a designated tax collector for the Federal government and the state. After they take the money out of your check, they are supposed to send it somewhere to be credited toward your tax obligation.
Reply:The West Coast Avenger
why would you give your social security number?
Reply:So you can pay your taxes
Reply:They should start deducting taxes from your wages, to be credited to your SSN!!!!!!
Reply:Pay into the system $$$ you may never see unless you get out there and vote.
Social Security Number?
Your employer is a designated tax collector for the Federal government and the state. After they take the money out of your check, they are supposed to send it somewhere to be credited toward your tax obligation.
Reply:The West Coast Avenger
why would you give your social security number?
Reply:So you can pay your taxes
Reply:They should start deducting taxes from your wages, to be credited to your SSN!!!!!!
Reply:Pay into the system $$$ you may never see unless you get out there and vote.
Retired person, ira account and social security money?
where i live if a retired person collecting social security money makes over $17,000 per year, they will get penalized and social security will stop giving them money. so if a 62 year old retired person gets an ira account, can they work at a job that pays over $17,000 per year except put money that goes over $17,000 into an ira account to prevent getting penalized and causing social security to stop giving this person money? can this be done with an ira account?
Retired person, ira account and social security money?
Good question! I would think you should be able to but I am not positive. I hope someone who is familiar with this situation is reading your question as I would like to hear the answer too.
I am thinking you should be able to up to the amount allowed annually. Then maybe, you could direct any additional income into an education account for grandchildren that comes off the top of your income also.
Retired person, ira account and social security money?
Good question! I would think you should be able to but I am not positive. I hope someone who is familiar with this situation is reading your question as I would like to hear the answer too.
I am thinking you should be able to up to the amount allowed annually. Then maybe, you could direct any additional income into an education account for grandchildren that comes off the top of your income also.
Anti-social or shy?
I have many times been labeled as anti-social but only been called shy maybe three times...what is the difference between shy, anti-social or just being laid-back and not having a care in the world?
I don't talk alot and i don't approach people i don't know and certainly don't go around hitting on every hot girl out there. I hate crowed places so i avoid them. Is there a certain trait a shy person has compared to just being anti-social or relaxed?
im just curious....
Anti-social or shy?
First off, be careful about calling yourself anti-social. That implies a social disorder and usually means you're crazy. Usually someone is just asocial, which means that they prefer their own company to that of others. Sometimes this is considered elitist behavior, so you seem to think that you're better than everyone else or they aren't worth your time. This is the main difference between being seen as shy or as asocial. Asocial people function well when forced to interact with people, whereas a shy person will clam up and be uncomfortable. Asocial people don't want contact with others, but shy people want to be with others, they are just afraid.
Reply:in my opinion...
shy = takes time to speak to others until you know them a little better and then feel more comfortable with them
anti-social = activley tries to limit contact with other people finding excuses and reasons not to do things
laid-back = not bothered how things go but may approach people to start a conversation
some people hate crowds, some people hate isolation - most people are somewhere inbetween the two extreems i guess
Reply:I'm the same way. Usually people like throwing them together. Shy is usually being quiet then opening up, anti-social is just flat out not wanting to speak to anyone.
Don't feel bad :]
dental bridge
I don't talk alot and i don't approach people i don't know and certainly don't go around hitting on every hot girl out there. I hate crowed places so i avoid them. Is there a certain trait a shy person has compared to just being anti-social or relaxed?
im just curious....
Anti-social or shy?
First off, be careful about calling yourself anti-social. That implies a social disorder and usually means you're crazy. Usually someone is just asocial, which means that they prefer their own company to that of others. Sometimes this is considered elitist behavior, so you seem to think that you're better than everyone else or they aren't worth your time. This is the main difference between being seen as shy or as asocial. Asocial people function well when forced to interact with people, whereas a shy person will clam up and be uncomfortable. Asocial people don't want contact with others, but shy people want to be with others, they are just afraid.
Reply:in my opinion...
shy = takes time to speak to others until you know them a little better and then feel more comfortable with them
anti-social = activley tries to limit contact with other people finding excuses and reasons not to do things
laid-back = not bothered how things go but may approach people to start a conversation
some people hate crowds, some people hate isolation - most people are somewhere inbetween the two extreems i guess
Reply:I'm the same way. Usually people like throwing them together. Shy is usually being quiet then opening up, anti-social is just flat out not wanting to speak to anyone.
Don't feel bad :]
dental bridge
Effects different social groups and recommend ways so that all social sectors are uniformly benefited?
According to sociologists, the effects of modern science and technology is prejudicial to some social groups. in fact it is far from uniform across the society. identify the effects different social groups and recommend ways so that all social sectors are uniformly benefited?
Effects different social groups and recommend ways so that all social sectors are uniformly benefited?
We cannot assure uniformity in this area. In fact, we should not.
However, we should always provide an equal opportunity to succeed and to be productive.
And, we can provide the necessities of life to those who are unable to provide for themselves.
But, everything else needs to be earned.
imho.
Effects different social groups and recommend ways so that all social sectors are uniformly benefited?
We cannot assure uniformity in this area. In fact, we should not.
However, we should always provide an equal opportunity to succeed and to be productive.
And, we can provide the necessities of life to those who are unable to provide for themselves.
But, everything else needs to be earned.
imho.
Dealing with Social Anxiety Disorder?
Sometimes, when I am not prepared meeting with other people like when I'm not that tidy with my get-up, I feel inferiority complex, I can't do what I want to do. I'm obese but it's not that obvious. Can my social anxiety caused by my fatness? I've been fat since I was a child, but, thank God I'm getting slimmer now. I go to gym four times a week, and I'm conscious about what I am eating. Can I treat myself from social anxiety? I know what the problem is, and I am now solving it---- is it right? Can I deal with social anxiety by myself? My sister said that "It's just in the head." I'm 14, and a girl, some of my classmates tease me like "Never been kissed, never been touched---totally damaged." Ouch, but I don't care----- I don't like getting into relationships right now, but guys I tell you----- that girl maybe same as my size, and she has no pimples, she thinks she's better than me, prettier than me, but I just don't give a damn hehe... What do you think? I have exact 50% Social Phobia
Dealing with Social Anxiety Disorder?
i dont know if you can do it ALL on your own because in order to be completely comfortable with the way you are can't be changed by altering your physical appearance.. you have to try to change the way you think. so what if youre not perfect? no one is and thats the hardest thing you'll have to overcome. even though your peers are petty and people will tell you it doesnt matter what they think, it will affect you. kids are cruel and its not that much better when you get older you just have to surround yourself with people that do accept you for who you are
Reply:Yes I know where you are coming form I got it too
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I mess up the words I say and it is a mess sometimes
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What I so in advance is tell them
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I got this problem bla bla bla you fill in the words and then
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I limit the problem to almost nothing cause
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They now know what my problem is and no body pays attention when I get to that one word that kind of gets stuck
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One of them will just say it so I can continue with what I was trying to say
Reply:You're on your way to social freedom. Maybe it is because of your weight problem, but it's okay. I'm dealing with the same thing, sort of. But I have to learn to love myself no matter what. Don't worry. Plus there are PLENTY of guys who like bigger girls anyways. Don't worry.
Reply:You can treat it by yourself. It's not necessarily caused by your weight, it's more just general insecurity. For example, if your weight wasn't an issue, you may find something else to be worried about. You sound like you're going in the right direction though, the most important thing is to be strong in who you are.
Reply:yes the more you try the better you get at something
I have a bad anxiety disorder and I didn't really learn to fully communicate with people until I was about 21
Dealing with Social Anxiety Disorder?
i dont know if you can do it ALL on your own because in order to be completely comfortable with the way you are can't be changed by altering your physical appearance.. you have to try to change the way you think. so what if youre not perfect? no one is and thats the hardest thing you'll have to overcome. even though your peers are petty and people will tell you it doesnt matter what they think, it will affect you. kids are cruel and its not that much better when you get older you just have to surround yourself with people that do accept you for who you are
Reply:Yes I know where you are coming form I got it too
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I mess up the words I say and it is a mess sometimes
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What I so in advance is tell them
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I got this problem bla bla bla you fill in the words and then
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I limit the problem to almost nothing cause
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They now know what my problem is and no body pays attention when I get to that one word that kind of gets stuck
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One of them will just say it so I can continue with what I was trying to say
Reply:You're on your way to social freedom. Maybe it is because of your weight problem, but it's okay. I'm dealing with the same thing, sort of. But I have to learn to love myself no matter what. Don't worry. Plus there are PLENTY of guys who like bigger girls anyways. Don't worry.
Reply:You can treat it by yourself. It's not necessarily caused by your weight, it's more just general insecurity. For example, if your weight wasn't an issue, you may find something else to be worried about. You sound like you're going in the right direction though, the most important thing is to be strong in who you are.
Reply:yes the more you try the better you get at something
I have a bad anxiety disorder and I didn't really learn to fully communicate with people until I was about 21
Non-Social Girls Mixed With Social Butterflies?
In my girlscout troop there are 8 girls. We've known each other for 10 years. Ages 14-16 Well two girls (sisters) are not very social or fortunate in the looks department. They don't get out often, and are pretty much party-poopers. Us chickas, on the other hand, are loud and social, cute girls, who are fortunate to have what we do.
Well the other girls put us down. Analyzing everything we say so it sounds less exciting, fun, etc. They claim we are boring (no way) and when we invite them over they say "we bore them." I'm just going to say it: They're unattractive and mean, were cute and fun.
What do we do? They're constantly mean and complain, no matter what.
HELP!
Non-Social Girls Mixed With Social Butterflies?
They are probably mean to you because they think you're up to something.
And honestly, it sounds a little bit like the Carrie situation. Maybe that movie was before your time butttt
Just sounds like you need to be yourself, and let them do their thing too. Not everyone can be friends, humans just don't work that way.
Reply:Sounds like the only thing they enjoy is putting you down. If they're so bored with you, why not just stop trying to socialize with them outside of scout meetings? If they ask why you stopped inviting them over, you can always say you decided to stop forcing your boring company on them!
Reply:These girls are obviously jealous of you and your friends. They don't have the luxuries or looks that your fortunate to have. By putting you down and calling your friends boring, their trying to make themselves feel better. They may not accept your invites to places because they don't think they'll fit in. They may feel like their not fun or outgoing enough. All in all, these girls envy you. Continue to be nice to them and hopefully they'll soon realize that your sincere and you want to be on good terms with them.
Well the other girls put us down. Analyzing everything we say so it sounds less exciting, fun, etc. They claim we are boring (no way) and when we invite them over they say "we bore them." I'm just going to say it: They're unattractive and mean, were cute and fun.
What do we do? They're constantly mean and complain, no matter what.
HELP!
Non-Social Girls Mixed With Social Butterflies?
They are probably mean to you because they think you're up to something.
And honestly, it sounds a little bit like the Carrie situation. Maybe that movie was before your time butttt
Just sounds like you need to be yourself, and let them do their thing too. Not everyone can be friends, humans just don't work that way.
Reply:Sounds like the only thing they enjoy is putting you down. If they're so bored with you, why not just stop trying to socialize with them outside of scout meetings? If they ask why you stopped inviting them over, you can always say you decided to stop forcing your boring company on them!
Reply:These girls are obviously jealous of you and your friends. They don't have the luxuries or looks that your fortunate to have. By putting you down and calling your friends boring, their trying to make themselves feel better. They may not accept your invites to places because they don't think they'll fit in. They may feel like their not fun or outgoing enough. All in all, these girls envy you. Continue to be nice to them and hopefully they'll soon realize that your sincere and you want to be on good terms with them.
About social work..need some advice plz.**?
I want to become a social worker. What extra classes should i take through high-school %26lt;im a junior 11th grade%26gt; to help prepare me for my career? Is there any internet programs or classes i can take to better help me prepare? I am eager to learn more about this to better my future career. I also would like to know about how much money do social workers actually make, is it a low paying job? And what specifically does a social worker do?
Thanks so much XoXo... *
About social work..need some advice plz.**?
Certainly taking courses in sociology and psychology would be good. Also take math to prepare you for taking a college stats class. Volunteering or work in the Human services is important. Certainly the homeless is one population, but so are children, older adults, medical contexts, Also service organizations like religious organizations, Rotary ect. Another good area to take courses in in service learning (and or a study abroad program - maybe combine this with a foreign language - spanish might make sense).
As for what social workers actually do. I would strongly go and interview social workers in your town (see if you can do an internship - I did this in HS was very helpful). But in general social workers work across systems to address social problems and social justice issues.
As for what a social worker makes at a BA level 20-30 to start at an MSW level Mid 20's to 50K depending on the location, population and agency. 10 years out with an MSW someone should be making 40-60K at a minimum.
DA
Reply:Chill diamond. You have sometime to go. Enjoy high school. There really aren't any classes that can prepare you for that degree. In fact, once you go to college it is a completely different world and new learning. Social workers help people in a number of areas (remember you have to go straight to masters degree. a bachelors won't cut it anymore in this field.) This could be family counseling, child services, health (hospital).... The list is endless. But for now concentrate and have fun in school. High School unfortunately doesn't last forever.
Reply:For a degree in social work, you should take classes in writing, because you'll be writing lots of reports, you'll need classes in Spanish because it will make you more marketable (easier to find work) and you should learn budgeting and serious financial planning because your annual salary won't begin to make a dent in the school loans you'll need in your quest for your degree.
You should volunteer in your community, with children or the elderly perhaps to get a feel for the work.
Do you have a homeless shelter in your town? They are great places to meet the population you intend to work with.
Social workers help people get treatment for mental illness or find beds for detox, some get help for families who lose their homes etc....
Thanks so much XoXo... *
About social work..need some advice plz.**?
Certainly taking courses in sociology and psychology would be good. Also take math to prepare you for taking a college stats class. Volunteering or work in the Human services is important. Certainly the homeless is one population, but so are children, older adults, medical contexts, Also service organizations like religious organizations, Rotary ect. Another good area to take courses in in service learning (and or a study abroad program - maybe combine this with a foreign language - spanish might make sense).
As for what social workers actually do. I would strongly go and interview social workers in your town (see if you can do an internship - I did this in HS was very helpful). But in general social workers work across systems to address social problems and social justice issues.
As for what a social worker makes at a BA level 20-30 to start at an MSW level Mid 20's to 50K depending on the location, population and agency. 10 years out with an MSW someone should be making 40-60K at a minimum.
DA
Reply:Chill diamond. You have sometime to go. Enjoy high school. There really aren't any classes that can prepare you for that degree. In fact, once you go to college it is a completely different world and new learning. Social workers help people in a number of areas (remember you have to go straight to masters degree. a bachelors won't cut it anymore in this field.) This could be family counseling, child services, health (hospital).... The list is endless. But for now concentrate and have fun in school. High School unfortunately doesn't last forever.
Reply:For a degree in social work, you should take classes in writing, because you'll be writing lots of reports, you'll need classes in Spanish because it will make you more marketable (easier to find work) and you should learn budgeting and serious financial planning because your annual salary won't begin to make a dent in the school loans you'll need in your quest for your degree.
You should volunteer in your community, with children or the elderly perhaps to get a feel for the work.
Do you have a homeless shelter in your town? They are great places to meet the population you intend to work with.
Social workers help people get treatment for mental illness or find beds for detox, some get help for families who lose their homes etc....
Problems with social services *all i ask is that i be runited with my little girl once again*thanx for helping
lets start with... i was accused of felony child abuse and went threw hell to finally get into court and get found innocent as everyone in my and my fiance's family already knew i was... anyhow i was wondering how can i get my name removed from the no contact list with my little girl i already went down to social services and they told me that there was nothing i could do and i was told by my aunt *batcholers degree in social services* that i could file for an appeal but social services told me that if and when i get the letter stating this i have 30 days to file and i havent recieved this letter that they speak of and so they wouldnt give me the appeal form i was also wondering since i live in wisconsin is there anything that madison *head honcho for social services* could do for me to get this taken care of.... if you have any questions email me at heavenly69nightmare@hotmail.com if you help me i can be very generous to you as i have alot of resources that will be of great interest
Problems with social services *all i ask is that i be runited with my little girl once again*thanx for helping
I understand your feeling of desperation. If I am of help to you, that is enough thanks for me.
The system is broken. I know the laws are to protect, but they just go too darn far sometimes.
Get a good lawyer that specializes in family law. You need legal help. Someone who knows what to file and where to file it.
Don't take chances with something as precious as your little girl.
Good luck and may God be with you.
Problems with social services *all i ask is that i be runited with my little girl once again*thanx for helping
I understand your feeling of desperation. If I am of help to you, that is enough thanks for me.
The system is broken. I know the laws are to protect, but they just go too darn far sometimes.
Get a good lawyer that specializes in family law. You need legal help. Someone who knows what to file and where to file it.
Don't take chances with something as precious as your little girl.
Good luck and may God be with you.
Questions about social work..?
Just wondering why ppl say social workers get paid very little....how much exactly is little and shouldnt ppl in social work be doing it because they enjoy helping other ppl? im looking into taking social work in university, but unsure what the school work will be like....what kinds of tpics do you study and discuss?
I think it is my calling to be a social worker but im terrible in school. but just wondering about this stuff, if u have any more info just post it. i am ok to deal with child abuse, juvenile delinquents, etc i would like to work for the childrens aid society one day.
Questions about social work..?
Yes, most people who go into social work do it because they want to help others. Often, a social worker has personal experience with the population that they specialize in serving - for example, recovering addicts go into substance abuse treatment. You don't have to be an excellent student. Most social work students are better at English and Social Sciences than they are at Math or physical science, although I think this is more an issue of aptitude and interest than of ability. Anyway, the classes I had to take for my Associate in Applied Science, Social Work were: A couple classes on the history of social work in this country, a class on Social Work values and ethics, a couple psych classes, record keeping (such as cases notes), interview techniques, substance abuse, and of course all the basic gen ed classes that freshmen and sophomores take. As juniors, we became much more focused on specific populations such as abused, poverty, drug, children, etc., and exposure to the DSMIV (diagnostic tool, although you need a Masters to diagnose.) Also some policy classes (very important to Social Workers - unpleasant but vital) and agency types such as non-profit, private -- lots of technical stuff. You need to learn about such matters as policy, funding, community resources. At University of Michigan, I also had to take two semesters of forgeign language, and two science lab classes. And of course there is the internship, depending on your school and placement as far as paid or unpaid, your choice of placement or your program director's. Certainly a Bachelor level social worker can make an adequate living - with a Masters, even a good living. But no, the rewards are generally not financial.
Reply:The pay depends on experience and varies a great deal. Topics studied in social work are human behavior, diversity, grassroots organizing, communities, research, generalist practice with individuals and groups, and policy. When you go for a Masters you study more counseling techniques like cognitive behavioral therapy, rational emotive behavioral therapy and so on. You will study forensic interviewing, further study research methods and policy, child development, mental health, DSM and medications and so on. As long as you apply yourself, study, and read your assignments you will do fine. You to not have to be a fantastic student and make all A's. What is important is that you understand what you are studying and you can apply it in the field.
I think it is my calling to be a social worker but im terrible in school. but just wondering about this stuff, if u have any more info just post it. i am ok to deal with child abuse, juvenile delinquents, etc i would like to work for the childrens aid society one day.
Questions about social work..?
Yes, most people who go into social work do it because they want to help others. Often, a social worker has personal experience with the population that they specialize in serving - for example, recovering addicts go into substance abuse treatment. You don't have to be an excellent student. Most social work students are better at English and Social Sciences than they are at Math or physical science, although I think this is more an issue of aptitude and interest than of ability. Anyway, the classes I had to take for my Associate in Applied Science, Social Work were: A couple classes on the history of social work in this country, a class on Social Work values and ethics, a couple psych classes, record keeping (such as cases notes), interview techniques, substance abuse, and of course all the basic gen ed classes that freshmen and sophomores take. As juniors, we became much more focused on specific populations such as abused, poverty, drug, children, etc., and exposure to the DSMIV (diagnostic tool, although you need a Masters to diagnose.) Also some policy classes (very important to Social Workers - unpleasant but vital) and agency types such as non-profit, private -- lots of technical stuff. You need to learn about such matters as policy, funding, community resources. At University of Michigan, I also had to take two semesters of forgeign language, and two science lab classes. And of course there is the internship, depending on your school and placement as far as paid or unpaid, your choice of placement or your program director's. Certainly a Bachelor level social worker can make an adequate living - with a Masters, even a good living. But no, the rewards are generally not financial.
Reply:The pay depends on experience and varies a great deal. Topics studied in social work are human behavior, diversity, grassroots organizing, communities, research, generalist practice with individuals and groups, and policy. When you go for a Masters you study more counseling techniques like cognitive behavioral therapy, rational emotive behavioral therapy and so on. You will study forensic interviewing, further study research methods and policy, child development, mental health, DSM and medications and so on. As long as you apply yourself, study, and read your assignments you will do fine. You to not have to be a fantastic student and make all A's. What is important is that you understand what you are studying and you can apply it in the field.
Define Social Science for me...?
Just in your opinion, what is a Social Science?
P.S. Don't answer with: "A social science is psychology, philosophy, etc,etc", because I know what 'subjects' social sciences are.
Define Social Science for me...?
The study of human society and of individual relationships in and to society. A scholarly or scientific discipline that deals with such study, generally regarded as including sociology, psychology, anthropology, economics, political science, and history.
"The study of human culture and social interaction in time and space for the purposes of enhancing citizenship participation."
Social Science (noun)
1. the study of society and social behavior.
2. a science or field of study, as history, economics, etc., dealing with an aspect of society or forms of social activity.
That's all I know.
Reply:Define social science for you. In a word; incoherent.
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P.S. Don't answer with: "A social science is psychology, philosophy, etc,etc", because I know what 'subjects' social sciences are.
Define Social Science for me...?
The study of human society and of individual relationships in and to society. A scholarly or scientific discipline that deals with such study, generally regarded as including sociology, psychology, anthropology, economics, political science, and history.
"The study of human culture and social interaction in time and space for the purposes of enhancing citizenship participation."
Social Science (noun)
1. the study of society and social behavior.
2. a science or field of study, as history, economics, etc., dealing with an aspect of society or forms of social activity.
That's all I know.
Reply:Define social science for you. In a word; incoherent.
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S corp - Social Security - tax question.?
62 year old sole proprietor, will work for the next few years making over $100,000.00 per year. Also considering taking early Social Security retirement benefits.
I have made a good income for a long time and have probably maxed out on Social Security retirement benefits.
Social Security says that “Operating as an S corp will give you more money to reinvest. The downside is that you will have smaller Social Security benefits in the future.”
I’m aware that money retained or distributed as dividends from an S corp. are not subject to SS or Medicare taxes.
Should I form an S corp?
Is it OK to take early SS retirement benefits? Benefits and disadvantages.
Thank you for your help.
S corp - Social Security - tax question.?
You have asked a very big question! First let me give you my standard opinion on S Corps and the like.
In 1849 there were people that sold a type of oil that was reported to collect gold from the ground if you spread it on your body and rolled around for a while. LLCs, Limited Partnerships, and S Corps for most small business owners make about as much sense. If you have attempted to form one of these please send me your order for a deluxe “Gold Oil Kit”.
So be careful before you move in that direction.
As for early SS benefits there are so many variables that I would not know about it is difficult to give a clear answer. The one factor that I always consider is you personal likely hood to live long enough to collect. If you are reasonably healthy wait until you reach your "regular " retirement age which would be 66 in your case. That way you are less restricted by the money you do earn and you are getting the max benefit.
Reply:S Corp is definitely the way to go...
pay tax after all expenses are paid.
Reply:Did the SSA bother to tell you that the checks you draw for retirement will be based on your last 5 years of working income, just prior to retiring. It would be of no real benifit at this point to incorporate, unless you have employees.
I have made a good income for a long time and have probably maxed out on Social Security retirement benefits.
Social Security says that “Operating as an S corp will give you more money to reinvest. The downside is that you will have smaller Social Security benefits in the future.”
I’m aware that money retained or distributed as dividends from an S corp. are not subject to SS or Medicare taxes.
Should I form an S corp?
Is it OK to take early SS retirement benefits? Benefits and disadvantages.
Thank you for your help.
S corp - Social Security - tax question.?
You have asked a very big question! First let me give you my standard opinion on S Corps and the like.
In 1849 there were people that sold a type of oil that was reported to collect gold from the ground if you spread it on your body and rolled around for a while. LLCs, Limited Partnerships, and S Corps for most small business owners make about as much sense. If you have attempted to form one of these please send me your order for a deluxe “Gold Oil Kit”.
So be careful before you move in that direction.
As for early SS benefits there are so many variables that I would not know about it is difficult to give a clear answer. The one factor that I always consider is you personal likely hood to live long enough to collect. If you are reasonably healthy wait until you reach your "regular " retirement age which would be 66 in your case. That way you are less restricted by the money you do earn and you are getting the max benefit.
Reply:S Corp is definitely the way to go...
pay tax after all expenses are paid.
Reply:Did the SSA bother to tell you that the checks you draw for retirement will be based on your last 5 years of working income, just prior to retiring. It would be of no real benifit at this point to incorporate, unless you have employees.
College Social Fear?
I just moved into residence in university. I live in the same city, but I thought that this would jumpstart my social life. The only friends I've had for the last 5 years made fun of me, never did anything with me, and pretty well degraded me. I stopped hanging around with them, since their degradation turned me from straight to gay. (Don't argue please, I know some don't beleive this, but it's not the point.) The very first night (right now), there is a huge party in my building, and I've NEVER been at a normal party at all. It seems very scary to me. I see bboys/girls kissing, which makes me depressed because I'm gay, but I'm really terrified right now of what this might be like. Will I learn to blend in or become comfortable after being away from normal social situations for so long? I'm very scared - please advise. (Please no counselling about sexual orientation, it's irrelevant to what I'm feeling). I just want to know about the social scene.
College Social Fear?
Just start fresh, and be different than before from the start.
What you were doing before obviously wasn't working socially, so it's time to try something else.
Oh, and kicking back a few beers to kill your nerves can't hurt either.
Reply:Just relax ...things will get better..I am sure there are other gays at that University..Don't worry you will be socializing in no time...Good Luck
Reply:Do you always have anxiety in social situations? Could be social anxiety disorder and there is medication to help you.
If it's just this new situation, remember to relax, and just be yourself.
Watch the movie 'Hitch" is has great tips...really!
teething
College Social Fear?
Just start fresh, and be different than before from the start.
What you were doing before obviously wasn't working socially, so it's time to try something else.
Oh, and kicking back a few beers to kill your nerves can't hurt either.
Reply:Just relax ...things will get better..I am sure there are other gays at that University..Don't worry you will be socializing in no time...Good Luck
Reply:Do you always have anxiety in social situations? Could be social anxiety disorder and there is medication to help you.
If it's just this new situation, remember to relax, and just be yourself.
Watch the movie 'Hitch" is has great tips...really!
teething
Question about working and social security?
If I were to increase my work from 2 days to 3 days a week, would I lose my social security? I currently earn $7.35 a hour(but on Sundays get a $1 more) but am going to get a either a forty- five cent or fifty cent raise in March. I was thinking of working Thursday(our weekest night and same for Friday)- Saturday night . I work at a local Walmart doing overnight matience.
I copied this information from Social Security website to help with this question. Would adding a extra night to my work week affect my social security?
SSA uses the formulas below, depending on your age, to determine how much your benefit must be reduced:
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If you are under normal (or full) retirement age (FRA): when you start getting your Social Security payments, $1 in benefits will be deducted for each $2 you earn above the annual limit. For 2008 that limit is $13,560 and for 2007, that limit is $12,960. Remember, the earliest age that you can receive Social Security retirement benefits remains 62
Question about working and social security?
If you work 8 hours a day, 2 days a week (my best guess from the information you provided), you make about $6,000/year right now at Walmart. After your raise you'll be around $6,500/year.
If you work a third day, that would raise your income 50% to about $10,000/year. That is still below the $13,560 limit you quoted in the question so you will not lose any Social Security benefits by working the extra day.
If your hours are different than I guessed, you can do your own math to figure out your annual salary:
$7.85 * hours per week * 50 = salary (assuming you work about 50 weeks per year) Then simply add about $500 for Sunday work. If that number is still under $13,500 then you will be fine.
I copied this information from Social Security website to help with this question. Would adding a extra night to my work week affect my social security?
SSA uses the formulas below, depending on your age, to determine how much your benefit must be reduced:
*
If you are under normal (or full) retirement age (FRA): when you start getting your Social Security payments, $1 in benefits will be deducted for each $2 you earn above the annual limit. For 2008 that limit is $13,560 and for 2007, that limit is $12,960. Remember, the earliest age that you can receive Social Security retirement benefits remains 62
Question about working and social security?
If you work 8 hours a day, 2 days a week (my best guess from the information you provided), you make about $6,000/year right now at Walmart. After your raise you'll be around $6,500/year.
If you work a third day, that would raise your income 50% to about $10,000/year. That is still below the $13,560 limit you quoted in the question so you will not lose any Social Security benefits by working the extra day.
If your hours are different than I guessed, you can do your own math to figure out your annual salary:
$7.85 * hours per week * 50 = salary (assuming you work about 50 weeks per year) Then simply add about $500 for Sunday work. If that number is still under $13,500 then you will be fine.
Are social evils of our society completely eradicated or reformed?
Our asian continent in the east is reputed for its superstitions, age-old beliefs and extreme social evils governing our conservative society. The orthodox beliefs strongly steeped in the mindset of indians are how far helpful for the general welfare and development of the people and our country. Some of the aggressive social evils like the sati or atrocity against widows, divorcees, etc have not been completely eradicated. Inspite of the social reforms and laws enacted for the welfare of women, there only appears to be a cold war against women. People in general find it difficult to accept single divorcees or widows as humans amongst them. They are stigmatised and considered as a bad omen to mingle. Even in the 21st century single divorcees or widows are not allowed to shop in Malls where customers arranging marriages, etc. shop in excess. This has been my one among several personal experiences in our indian society as a single divorcee.
Are social evils of our society completely eradicated or reformed?
Religion breeds superstition and generates fear.
Reply:Social evils still exist in our country and society, though it is a fact that from a very long time we have not seen those in the metropolitian cities but in the rural, urban %26amp; regional areas there is a wide scope of these evils. Evils like sati or atrocity against women are generalyy used to see in the small villages and the main reason for their existence is the lack of education. People are not educated that enough in the villages to understand the fact that these evils are nothing but hampering the development of our culture and the society and as far as the old age beliefs are concerned they will be completely eradicated in the next coming 5 or 10 years because of the upcoming generation X and the modern world these beliefs will not be seen.
We are also experiencing some restrictions on a widow or a divorsee to not to go in shopping malls or marriages as they considered as bad omen but it has a very small coverage in our society, only few sections of the society follows it namely rural and backward class otherwise as the people of 21st century is concerned, their views about such beliefs is very vast and open, infact people who are divorsed or widows are enjoying their life very well and even don't have any problem in settling down again.
It is just the lack of knowledge and education that allows the society to think about all these beliefs and superstitions. So first educate the people especially the lower and the backward class and then we can automatically see the change in our society.
Reply:My answer is neither. There is still too much segregation and demoralisation of sections of our society, until we can truly accept that we are all equal nothing will change
Reply:It is difficult to see the demise of the custom, which were in existence for age together. It is like a wild growth, difficult to be wiped out overnight. In other societies, which evolved only recently, such practices are less. The name of the societies in the East are such that we have more of the groups. We have been the type who integrate into a homogeneous lot. We have valued the groups rather than individuals and the nation. We have been taught to lay our lives for the sake of group loyalty. For us, the social mores and the age old practices are a matter of faith and pride. Hence, the resistance to remove these so called superstitions.
Reply:Ha ha! I will take one and treat her right. She must be prettty but she will be treated like a well-cared for American wife who lives with liberty, freedom and a new culture that for the most part (the european stock) put women on a pedestal. I love the exotic eyes and the dark hair and know how bright they are in computers and health sciences. Who wouldn't want such a woman. Sooooo, send the moreattactive ones and the brightest, too. It will be good for evolution. I would hope the religious thing wouldn't be a problem. Americans are generally not very religious. Half of Americans claim no religon. I know buddhism branch off from hinduism and i know a lot about buddhism but nearly nothing about hinduism. It is up to the Indian women to walk away from their bad treatment. YOU ARE FREE!
Are social evils of our society completely eradicated or reformed?
Religion breeds superstition and generates fear.
Reply:Social evils still exist in our country and society, though it is a fact that from a very long time we have not seen those in the metropolitian cities but in the rural, urban %26amp; regional areas there is a wide scope of these evils. Evils like sati or atrocity against women are generalyy used to see in the small villages and the main reason for their existence is the lack of education. People are not educated that enough in the villages to understand the fact that these evils are nothing but hampering the development of our culture and the society and as far as the old age beliefs are concerned they will be completely eradicated in the next coming 5 or 10 years because of the upcoming generation X and the modern world these beliefs will not be seen.
We are also experiencing some restrictions on a widow or a divorsee to not to go in shopping malls or marriages as they considered as bad omen but it has a very small coverage in our society, only few sections of the society follows it namely rural and backward class otherwise as the people of 21st century is concerned, their views about such beliefs is very vast and open, infact people who are divorsed or widows are enjoying their life very well and even don't have any problem in settling down again.
It is just the lack of knowledge and education that allows the society to think about all these beliefs and superstitions. So first educate the people especially the lower and the backward class and then we can automatically see the change in our society.
Reply:My answer is neither. There is still too much segregation and demoralisation of sections of our society, until we can truly accept that we are all equal nothing will change
Reply:It is difficult to see the demise of the custom, which were in existence for age together. It is like a wild growth, difficult to be wiped out overnight. In other societies, which evolved only recently, such practices are less. The name of the societies in the East are such that we have more of the groups. We have been the type who integrate into a homogeneous lot. We have valued the groups rather than individuals and the nation. We have been taught to lay our lives for the sake of group loyalty. For us, the social mores and the age old practices are a matter of faith and pride. Hence, the resistance to remove these so called superstitions.
Reply:Ha ha! I will take one and treat her right. She must be prettty but she will be treated like a well-cared for American wife who lives with liberty, freedom and a new culture that for the most part (the european stock) put women on a pedestal. I love the exotic eyes and the dark hair and know how bright they are in computers and health sciences. Who wouldn't want such a woman. Sooooo, send the moreattactive ones and the brightest, too. It will be good for evolution. I would hope the religious thing wouldn't be a problem. Americans are generally not very religious. Half of Americans claim no religon. I know buddhism branch off from hinduism and i know a lot about buddhism but nearly nothing about hinduism. It is up to the Indian women to walk away from their bad treatment. YOU ARE FREE!
Is social cognitive the same as social cognition?
is social cognitive the same as social cognition?
Is social cognitive the same as social cognition?
The first term is an adjective phrase while the second is a noun phrase. They both refer to the same situation though expressed differently.
Reply:Only because I am this kind of mood... No, one ends in ive and the other ends in ion.
Is social cognitive the same as social cognition?
The first term is an adjective phrase while the second is a noun phrase. They both refer to the same situation though expressed differently.
Reply:Only because I am this kind of mood... No, one ends in ive and the other ends in ion.
Should Social Security be phased out & replaced by totally tax free IRAs?
What is the point of anyone who is working and is under the age of 50 to pay taxes into Social Security when there isn't even going to be enough Social Security to pay for the baby boomers?
And to make things worse the Govt. will have to increase Social Security taxes on everyone under 50 to pay for the shortfalls because of the boomers.
Should Social Security be phased out %26amp; replaced by totally tax free IRAs?
If the bastards in Washington would pay back the money that they took out of the S.S. fund, there would be enough to give retirees to live on. The Republicans should be made to start paying it back out of their salaries. The price of this war in Iraq could have been used to make things right .
Reply:The original intent of social security was to give people who worked all their lives a federally sponsored pension plan which would pay the individual a return so that he could subsist. Too many retired workers due to age were destitute so this was put into place. SS was not meant to be the sole retirement fund. Unfortunately, too many find that SS isn't enough to let them live comfortably. At an old age they end up bagging groceries or welcoming customers at Wal- Mart.
Reply:Give me back all that money stolen from my paycheck ! A liberal President dreamed up this government Ponzi scheme, and every Congress since then has stolen the money for the General Budget. And who was in power for 90 % of those years ???? Democraps !
I can manage my money better than the Federal government...I LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS !
Reply:The Fair Tax is the only way to save this country.
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And to make things worse the Govt. will have to increase Social Security taxes on everyone under 50 to pay for the shortfalls because of the boomers.
Should Social Security be phased out %26amp; replaced by totally tax free IRAs?
If the bastards in Washington would pay back the money that they took out of the S.S. fund, there would be enough to give retirees to live on. The Republicans should be made to start paying it back out of their salaries. The price of this war in Iraq could have been used to make things right .
Reply:The original intent of social security was to give people who worked all their lives a federally sponsored pension plan which would pay the individual a return so that he could subsist. Too many retired workers due to age were destitute so this was put into place. SS was not meant to be the sole retirement fund. Unfortunately, too many find that SS isn't enough to let them live comfortably. At an old age they end up bagging groceries or welcoming customers at Wal- Mart.
Reply:Give me back all that money stolen from my paycheck ! A liberal President dreamed up this government Ponzi scheme, and every Congress since then has stolen the money for the General Budget. And who was in power for 90 % of those years ???? Democraps !
I can manage my money better than the Federal government...I LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS !
Reply:The Fair Tax is the only way to save this country.
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Question about working and social security?
If I were to increase my work from 2 days to 3 days a week, would I lose my social security? I currently earn $7.35 a hour(but on Sundays get a $1 more) but am going to get a either a forty- five cent or fifty cent raise in March. I was thinking of working Thursday(our weekest night and same for Friday)- Saturday night . I work at a local Walmart doing overnight matience.
I copied this information from Social Security website to help with this question. Would adding a extra night to my work week affect my social security?
SSA uses the formulas below, depending on your age, to determine how much your benefit must be reduced:
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If you are under normal (or full) retirement age (FRA): when you start getting your Social Security payments, $1 in benefits will be deducted for each $2 you earn above the annual limit. For 2008 that limit is $13,560 and for 2007, that limit is $12,960. Remember, the earliest age that you can receive Social Security retirement benefits remains 62
Question about working and social security?
Your increased annual earnings will still be under the limit. However make sure you do not have other income that could push you over the limit. However even if you are over the limit you will only lose 1/2 as much as you have over the limit. For example being over the limit by $500 means you will lose $250 in social security benefits.
I copied this information from Social Security website to help with this question. Would adding a extra night to my work week affect my social security?
SSA uses the formulas below, depending on your age, to determine how much your benefit must be reduced:
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If you are under normal (or full) retirement age (FRA): when you start getting your Social Security payments, $1 in benefits will be deducted for each $2 you earn above the annual limit. For 2008 that limit is $13,560 and for 2007, that limit is $12,960. Remember, the earliest age that you can receive Social Security retirement benefits remains 62
Question about working and social security?
Your increased annual earnings will still be under the limit. However make sure you do not have other income that could push you over the limit. However even if you are over the limit you will only lose 1/2 as much as you have over the limit. For example being over the limit by $500 means you will lose $250 in social security benefits.
Blocked Social Security Information?
If you go to the Social Security site and choose to block access to your personal information, will companies that are hired to run background checks still be able to access your Social Security records or not?
I searched all over Google and the Social Security site for info regarding this, but couldn't find it... Any help, preferably with a link would be really appreciated. Thanks!
Blocked Social Security Information?
I don't have the answer to the question, but what you need to do is go to the Social Security site and contact them via email and ask them. They are of course the professionals.
Reply:backgrounds would have no reason to check soc sec records - there's no useful information for them there. they need your ssn to do credit checks, but that's different from checking your ss acct
I searched all over Google and the Social Security site for info regarding this, but couldn't find it... Any help, preferably with a link would be really appreciated. Thanks!
Blocked Social Security Information?
I don't have the answer to the question, but what you need to do is go to the Social Security site and contact them via email and ask them. They are of course the professionals.
Reply:backgrounds would have no reason to check soc sec records - there's no useful information for them there. they need your ssn to do credit checks, but that's different from checking your ss acct
Define social change?
Define social change. What are the key features of social change? Give four examples of social movements, current or past, and describe the key features of each movement.
Define social change?
Social change is a general term which refers to a change in the nature, the social institutions, the social behavior, or the social relations of a society, community of people, or other social structures. Any event or action that affects a group of individuals that have share values or characteristics. Acts of advocacy for the cause of changing society in a normative way (subjective).
Reply:The most obvious example of a social movement that caused social change was the African American movement for equal rights in the USA. It is this movement that gave us the civil rights now shared by all. There's also the women's right to vote movement or more recently the gay rights movement. Comes to show that social change is always a bottom top action so don't expecto social change from your representatives.
Reply:an answer i have four you would have to be social change in our institutions, such agriculture to industrialization from industrialization to age of information. another would be behavior changes such as the dark ages to the enlightenment. And racial, homophobic, xenophobic views of our own country.
Define social change?
Social change is a general term which refers to a change in the nature, the social institutions, the social behavior, or the social relations of a society, community of people, or other social structures. Any event or action that affects a group of individuals that have share values or characteristics. Acts of advocacy for the cause of changing society in a normative way (subjective).
Reply:The most obvious example of a social movement that caused social change was the African American movement for equal rights in the USA. It is this movement that gave us the civil rights now shared by all. There's also the women's right to vote movement or more recently the gay rights movement. Comes to show that social change is always a bottom top action so don't expecto social change from your representatives.
Reply:an answer i have four you would have to be social change in our institutions, such agriculture to industrialization from industrialization to age of information. another would be behavior changes such as the dark ages to the enlightenment. And racial, homophobic, xenophobic views of our own country.
To All Social Workers.?
I am thinking of persuing a career in social work, but in all honesty I do not like social workers because of personal and "other" reasons. As a social worker can I really make a difference or am I doomed to become a charater of the state. I want to hear some postive stories of the benefits of being a social worker. My professors say that I can make a difference but they take a bum rap for a lot of things. I don't want to loss myself in the system any advice would be great.
To All Social Workers.?
Go through an MSW program, and hold true to your own values. I got my MSW when I was 40, so I am pretty secure in my beliefs. Some of the California State University Sacramento professors really try to indoctrinate more than educate so be careful. If you don't mind being harassed, speak up. If you don't like too much negative attention, just regurgitate what the libs tell you, and hold your own beliefs. I used to work for child welfare. Now I work for a foster family agency, and am a pain in the butt for the county social workers that don't do their jobs. It's kind of fun now, but working for child protection is VERY STRESSFUL. CPS social worker surpassed air traffic control as the most stressful job.
Reply:Social workers mean well but I've never heard of them doing anything for anyone except refer people to some agency or another.
Reply:don't go into that .
find some other helpful thing to do that is real and is not so tied up in what the latest trend in thinking is .
Reply:try it if you don't like it, you can enter into other areas.
Reply:Judging any professions by a few interactions with a few people is probably not a great way to pick or stay away from a career. There are literally millions of social workers in the United States and many times that around the world. Social work is one of the most versatile careers with the option of working at many system levels to produce change for the benefit of many different types of client groups. Not all social workers work in the system (some work outside it). Not everybody is going to fit or like social work. Social work takes a social justice approach to working with social problems and is concerned with improving the person environment fit by addressing both the person and the environment. If your interest is in working just with individual or personal challenges then counseling or psychology can be a better fit (though social workers provide the majority of psychotherapy in the U.S). Can you make real change as a social worker, of course you can, many social workers make real change every day. How do you not get lost in the system. As with any other job it is about maintaining and developing a professional identity and support system that challenges you to grow and see yourself as a social worker first and an employee second. DA
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To All Social Workers.?
Go through an MSW program, and hold true to your own values. I got my MSW when I was 40, so I am pretty secure in my beliefs. Some of the California State University Sacramento professors really try to indoctrinate more than educate so be careful. If you don't mind being harassed, speak up. If you don't like too much negative attention, just regurgitate what the libs tell you, and hold your own beliefs. I used to work for child welfare. Now I work for a foster family agency, and am a pain in the butt for the county social workers that don't do their jobs. It's kind of fun now, but working for child protection is VERY STRESSFUL. CPS social worker surpassed air traffic control as the most stressful job.
Reply:Social workers mean well but I've never heard of them doing anything for anyone except refer people to some agency or another.
Reply:don't go into that .
find some other helpful thing to do that is real and is not so tied up in what the latest trend in thinking is .
Reply:try it if you don't like it, you can enter into other areas.
Reply:Judging any professions by a few interactions with a few people is probably not a great way to pick or stay away from a career. There are literally millions of social workers in the United States and many times that around the world. Social work is one of the most versatile careers with the option of working at many system levels to produce change for the benefit of many different types of client groups. Not all social workers work in the system (some work outside it). Not everybody is going to fit or like social work. Social work takes a social justice approach to working with social problems and is concerned with improving the person environment fit by addressing both the person and the environment. If your interest is in working just with individual or personal challenges then counseling or psychology can be a better fit (though social workers provide the majority of psychotherapy in the U.S). Can you make real change as a social worker, of course you can, many social workers make real change every day. How do you not get lost in the system. As with any other job it is about maintaining and developing a professional identity and support system that challenges you to grow and see yourself as a social worker first and an employee second. DA
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When social scientist use interpretivism?
How do they derive scientific knowledge?
I am of course presuming that social science is not fundamentally different from natural science, and they share similar goals of explaining and predicting the world.
And if you tell me that social scientist do not intend to create predictions, my next question is this.
where do you draw the line between history and social science?
When social scientist use interpretivism?
At the present time, the only method that scientists can use to attempt to determine exactly what a person is feeling at any given time is to ask him directly.
Right now, interpretive analysis is all that is available to scientists in this particular area of scientific inquiry.
I am of course presuming that social science is not fundamentally different from natural science, and they share similar goals of explaining and predicting the world.
And if you tell me that social scientist do not intend to create predictions, my next question is this.
where do you draw the line between history and social science?
When social scientist use interpretivism?
At the present time, the only method that scientists can use to attempt to determine exactly what a person is feeling at any given time is to ask him directly.
Right now, interpretive analysis is all that is available to scientists in this particular area of scientific inquiry.
Which social skills are kids supposedly learning at school that homeschoolers supposedly aren't?
I'm so tired of "they won't have any social skills" or "they'll lose their social skills if you take them out of school." I'd like to know what this supposedly means.
Also, I'd be interested in hearing the reverse: which social skills do you think are better developed homeschooling than in school?
Which social skills are kids supposedly learning at school that homeschoolers supposedly aren't?
Gossip
Backbiting
Bullying
Name-calling
Disrespect for authorities
The celebration of personality instead of character
Betrayal
Mob-mentality
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Who wouldn't want to be well-rounded and experience all of these, particularly as a vulnerable child?
Reply:Thanks. Given that every public school facist says, "you have to experience all of these bad things, lest you be shocked as an adult," I believe this list is accurate. Report It
Reply:Ok, I just graduated from highschool and I homeschooled for most of my life. People say that homeschoolers won't have the social skills to deal with the "real world" or to make it in college. Well I have news for you. They are wrong!! I just started college and I LOVE it. I have made lots of friends and fit in just fine. Not only that, but because I homeschooled I got a really good education, so I am exceeding in the academic aspect of college as well. As for missing out on things durring highschool- here are a few of the things that I missed out on: pressure to do drugs and drink, pressure to have adult realationships, the constand gosiping and stupid things teenage girls say and do, and the whole pressure to fit in thing. if you ask me, these are good things to miss out on. Now, you might say that because I missed out on these things, that I won't know how to deal with them now. Well, college is a lot like highschool in these respects and just to let you know, I'm doing just fine. one of the skills I learned in homeschooling was to learn from reading a textbook. This is very important in college because proffesors often do not teach from the text and you are expected to read and learn from the material on your own, and be able to take tests on that material. Most of my friends have a really hard time with this because all of their lives they have learned by listning to a teacher teach in front of the classroom and never had to actually learn from their text books. I have a very large advantage in this area. My advice to home school parents is to get your kids involved in a local homeschool group or youth group. These are what I was involved in and it was enough for me to learn the necesary "social skills" while still getting a great education. My advice to teenage homeschoolers is to think about getting a part time job. not only will you make some money, but you will make new friends and be able to get out of the house once in a while. I did this and enjoyed it very much. anyway, for all you people who rag on homeschoolers- stop talking about things you know nothing about!
Reply:Why does a child have to "fit in" anyways? Isn't this a violation of their individualism? A child should not have to be afraid of being themselves and forsaking themselves at the expense of trying to have to fit in. The conformism that goes on in public schools is very disturbing and will have its consequences on kids in the future if they cannot develop some sort of self identity without looking to other people first.
Homeschoolers have good social skills -- they know how to speak to others of all ages with respect, no degradation or bullying involved.
In this case I'd say homeschoolers are better off socially than their public school counterparts.
Reply:I had no social skills in school and lots of problems. Mind you I'm not the average kid, I have a personality disorder. But since I've started homeschooling I've had more time for therapy and focusing on getting better. I now love to socialize and am making friends. I also love that homeschooling gives me the time to take classes at the community college. I find I get along much better with people who are older than me and it is definitely teaching me to grow up. (I'm 16) At first homeschooling was bad for me but that was because I had no friends while I was in public school, just people I sometimes talked to. I homeschooled and I had nothing. But I found activities to do to get me out in the world. I don't think homeschooling has anything to do with social skills. I had mental health issues, that was the problem. Homeschooling is what helped restore my sanity.
Reply:My son made f's and d's in public school he is now enrolled in an online school through our state which is a public school also..he is now making a's and b's..the teachers couldnt give him the help he needed to learn in public school..children go to school to learn and when they no longer are learning then they need to be put in a school where they can learn if its a home school or another public school..The public schools can no longer teach our children what they need..My son is in the 8th grade and he meets children from all over our state they go on class field trips together once a month..you cant even get that at a public school.my son is home schooled and he still has 7 teachers encluding a home room teacher, he even takes gym class which requires a ymca pass..my son wasnt staying busy enough to suit me so his school gave him more class's and work, they gave him high school work and he even earns credits for high school..they have prom, graduation ceremonies, the only thing his school doesnt have is sports. My son go to school to learn and if there is time then he meets friends..
Reply:The social skills that non home schooled children are learning that homeschooled children arent learning is how to make friends outside of your environment and I don't mean with others who are homeschooled. I mean do homeschooled children go to prom for high school or take part in school sports teams or experience dating different people? No they don't they're around each other so much that I wouldnt put it past many who get sick of seeing the same people all the time and want their own friends outside of the same environment.
Reply:My daughter has a far better understanding of cultural studies than your average grade schooler. She has gone to various religous services (both in the appropriate house of worship as well as in private homes). She has spent time with a much wider age group than she would have otherwise and has friends that run from pre-k to high school, including children with autism, Downe's, cerebral palsey and more. She has been exposed to creationism, evolution and the scientific studies that support both of them. She spends at least two hours a day with her friends..both homeschooled and kids in traditional classes..and I have to say that the homeschooled kids tend to be far more open minded and accepting than the ones from public schools. None of her home schooled friends have ever made fun of her younger brother with autism, while in public school she was nearly beaten up when she rose to the defense of a friend with cerebral palsey.
Conflict and being belittled because of differences is not "part of growing up". In my mind it is part of the problem we see shaping our society. Letting children treat one another that way on the school yard and saying it is "typical schoolyard behavior" does not give us tolerant adults. It gives us adults who are not ready to face the diversity that will be part of their professional and parenting lives.
As for learning that being teased is part of life..she experienced that when she was in public school. She was constantly singled out as the only white, non-Christian child in her class. That is not the real world. In the real world, if you treated someone like that in a professional setting you could be fired or found guilty of violation of many different federal and local eoe laws and/or hate crimes. For all the adults who say that...stop and think of the one time in school when someone tore into you for something you truely were proud of or had no control over..the new outfit you loved that wasn't considered "cool". The fact you celebrated a holiday differently than someone else. Or how about the glassed you had or the braces on your teeth? Stop and remember that knot in your stomach, the burning feeling behind your eyes and the confusion you felt that someone else was being so mean over something you had no say in. Is that really something tha made you who you are today?? And is that really something you feel makes anyone a better person??
Reply:The only thing different, is that the kids in school, don't get the teacher's undivided attention! OMG! Isn't that aweful?
Reply:My friend is a schoolteacher who sometimes comes across homeschooled pupils who are now in senior school. She says they struggle to fit in with the other children, they need more help with their work and generally, stand out for this reason. No offense meant, I'm interested in this subject.
Reply:Even to answer this question would force one to draw upon stereotypes. I think a lot of it depends upon the homeschooling situation. If the children still interact with their peers through clubs, sports, etc., they will probably be fine. If a homeschooled child is basically raised in isolation, of course he/she will be socially inept. Of course, there are plenty of socially inept children in schools as well.
Reply:Many people say that homeschoolers are "socially retarded." I am homeschooled, but I'm not. Social skills are something that depends on the atmosphere. Since I was homeschooled I can talk to adults much more easily than my own age group. I have developed a respect for authority in doing this. When in public school you forget the sense of authority because you are facing teachers who many times will bow down to the kids.(or so my mother says) If one wants social skills I reccomend going into a sport or hobby that has other kids interested in the same thing. This is how I get my social skills through fencing.
Reply:They are lacking nothing. My guess is that the negative encounters spoken of here are preconceived notions on the part of the anti-homeschoolers coupled with the homeschooler(s) being in a new atmosphere. If one already has in their mind that homeschoolers are 'weird' then people will find something 'weird'.
I see that Nab fits in the double standard category quite nicely with her comment, "And I don't mean other homeschoolers". It's 'okay' to be in the school environment and make friends with ONLY people who are in the school, who they more than likely also partake in after school activities with but not okay for homeschoolers to make friends with other homeschoolers?
For the naysayers bringing up, "What about the prom? What about dances?" Tell you what, ask the school kids labeled 'nerds, geeks, and ugly' how thrilling the proms and dances are to them. ;-) Screw the prom and dances, big deal.
Reply:Personally i was home schooled and i loved it so did my brothers. I hate to admit it but there IS a negative side to the individuals social skills there are however some good things it teaches like the ability to work and figure things out on their own and using their own initiative to do work, because i was home schooled and then i went to college i did not fit in with the other students at first, however i did eventually adapt quite well to being part of a larger group (now i have the advantage of being able to work on my own AND in a group), mainly it was me, not them who had the problem, for example i wouldn't trust anyone to get their work done right or have good ideas because i relied on myself for a long time. In the long run if the kid is keeping in touch with other kids i don't think this would be a problem, but if they are kept out of school because they don't have friends or want to be on their own then the core of the problem is not in the school or home school debate, but the child's own mindset.
Basically, when home schooled, the only effect on a child is the ability to interact with others more effectively, it wont remove social skills it just wont develop them any further......until they go drinking!! lol
So in my opinion if they go to college and learn social skills there its still all good, maybe even an advantage.
Reply:i am so tired already of the what about the socaliation question and i have only been home schooling my son for a couple of months. i removed my son from school due to relentless bullying! i had numerous appointments with the school to get it sorted out, he was made to see psychologists. as well as a psychiatrist. who all said there was nothing wrong with him the school was at fault for not dealing with the problem. as a mom i was being bullied by the system for my son being bullied! we were being victimized for him being a victim. how can that be right? and how can that really be being taught socialization? we wont stay in a work place as adults if we are being bullied or harassed so why should we expect our children to do that?
Reply:Kids who are homeschooled typically don't have the same level of peer interaction than kids in school have. It depends on how outgoing the kid is as to the degree that it will affect him/her. I do think that homeschooled kids are often brighter and nicer.
Reply:You wanna know what's really funny about the whole socializa'mazation *argument"?
It isn't the real issue.
A "school" that is led by a principal and staffed by teachers is very small in comparison to the home-school ocean.
My students swim in the sea of real life every single day. They don't need to be boxed in by a gov't mandated building and by a set of social standards that are dictated by the current fads and media.
The fact is that social skills are not learned in a crowd. They are learned at tea-time with a perfectionist Brittish hostess. Our wonderful neighbor took the time to invite all of the neighbor children to her home for tea and crumpets. They were taught to use their utensils appropriately and to speak correctly. They had a wonderful time! Now they are all well on their way to surviving in the real world.
Reply:People who say home school children don't have any social skills are usually basing their opinion on the children who were forced to return to school because their parents weren't doing the job well. If you provide opportunities for your children to socialize, they will learn all the social skills they need. They may not grow the "thick skin" of children who are frequently teased, but then neither do some public school children. I have met some home schooled students while I was in college and I was impressed with thier ability to converse with different types of people (different personality types) and time management skills. They all did very well at my college and were much better prepared than most students.
Reply:They don't know what it is like to be teased for being short, tall, fat, skinny - for as silly as it sounds, THAT is part of growing up and living a well-rounded life. Kind of like when I wanted to know why I had to take economics? It's part of my well-rounded education. They miss out on all that interaction of every-day life.
Do you teach them about the Jewish holidays or explain the difference between black girl's hair and white girl's hair. These are the things they experience by getting out in the world and interacting for 6-7 hours a day with other children outside the cocoon you have them wrapped in.
Reply:P.E
Reply:I'm not sure why people focus on the socializing aspect of home-schooling, but it could be that years ago people would say that if you home-schooled your children they would not receive a good education. No-one seems to say that anymore, because home-schooling has an excellent accademic track record.
In fact you should tell people who bring up the socialization question that "SOCIALIZATION" is actually defined as the process by which the norms and standards of a society are passed from one generation to the next. I've never really thought that a complete stranger’s six-year old child would be a good source of information on the correct standards of behavior in our family or in society as a whole.
As for "SOCIALIZING", I think my home-schooled 9 year old has lots of social time - we complete all her school work in about 2 hours, she attends a home-school group on Mondays where she has a group of friends of all ages, dance classes on Tuesdays, Piano class and Girl Scouts on Wednesdays, Ice skating and choir practice every week. She also has been helping me to deliver Meals-on-Wheels since before she was 2 years old. Not many kids of 9 years old have been volunteering their time in their community for over 7 years!
In fact, my daughter is extremely fortunate never to have been bullied in the school yard, teased on the school bus, ridiculed for not having the right brand of blue-jeans, nor has she ever had a teacher who disliked her. I think this kind of Negative Socialization is what my daughter is missing - but I don't think its a big loss!
I think that most home-schooled children are extremely well socialized, and I have found that home-schooled children, in general, are well adjusted, articulate, confident and are comfortable conversing with adults.
When you think about it, the way that a typical school segregates children into single age groups for up to 13 years of their lives, is not natural. When you compare that to home-schooled children who are mingling with a wide age range of people, I think the home-schoolers become much more comfortable with society at large.
My daughter and I went to Europe for a month this spring and that was a wonderful experience for us both - I think she did considerably more "socializing" than if she had been cooped up in a classroom with 30 other nine year olds. She was exposed to both English and Norwegian cultures, customs, currency and language - that is real education!
Reply:GREAT QUESTION!!!!!!!! I'm 14 and home schooled,and home schoolers get tons of good socializing.Many people say that kids have to go through all the bullying,name-calling, teachers being mean to them,etc.in order to make it in the world,but what about the kids who had to deal with all that all through they're lives,do you think that they enjoyed school,or they're young adult lives? do you think that they'll tell they're kids that you have to go through all that in order to make it in the real world? NO.They'll always have the memories of wedgies,stuffed in lockers, being called awful names,and having to deal with teachers who didn't really care about them at all,and that ruins a child's social skills,cause they have had any self-esteem and respect,etc. crushed at an early age.Now, on to home schoolers.Some home schoolers don't have perfect social lives,but that's not because of where they were taught,that's just how they were born.I myself am a shy girl,but I go to art class once a week,and I have one best friends,and two other friends that I hang out with at art.I also feel comfortable talking to adults,and I have become friends with adults,and so even though it sounds like that I never talk to anyone and that I don't have a very good social life,I'm happy,I don't need 500 friends who I see everyday to make me happy,I'd be fine if I only had my best friend.home schoolers get positive socialization,and they have MORE time to actually experience the REAL WORLD then just siting i a classroom with 30 other kids the same age,listening to a teacher talk about some really boring subject.again,GREAT QUESTION!
Reply:It's a dog eat dog world out there... being in public schools has it's down falls but.... children learn to interact within a group every day... exposed to authority other than their parents... it's like the scale of the food chain... you fight for your place... they enter adult life and society ready... no surprises... equiped with what it takes to compete and suceed... Home schoolers are some what sheltered...
Reply:These students have no social skill that relate to their school age peers. They need interaction with people their own age, with out parents. Sorry to say but most home school children are just as bright as the of us that went to public school and did just as many diverse activities as you seem to have. I took drawing from real artist at the art museums (one of the u.s. major museums) We from public school just learned to cope with the real world though the eyes of other children. I know that as a student you can be snarkie to others and criticize but still be best friends. Boys tend to be friends not just boyfriends, so you have males to chat with at lunch.
I went to a private school for elementary but public school for high school. I would never home school my children because they they would miss the stuff that makes memories and friends for life.
Reply:kids learn to share better in school.
they learn how to deal with other kids.
how to take turns.
learn how other kids learn.
its a class with more students, therefore thats how the real world is.... i mean there are so many ways school is better and its so hard to actually explain. to me its common sense how its better.
Also, I'd be interested in hearing the reverse: which social skills do you think are better developed homeschooling than in school?
Which social skills are kids supposedly learning at school that homeschoolers supposedly aren't?
Gossip
Backbiting
Bullying
Name-calling
Disrespect for authorities
The celebration of personality instead of character
Betrayal
Mob-mentality
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Who wouldn't want to be well-rounded and experience all of these, particularly as a vulnerable child?
Reply:Thanks. Given that every public school facist says, "you have to experience all of these bad things, lest you be shocked as an adult," I believe this list is accurate. Report It
Reply:Ok, I just graduated from highschool and I homeschooled for most of my life. People say that homeschoolers won't have the social skills to deal with the "real world" or to make it in college. Well I have news for you. They are wrong!! I just started college and I LOVE it. I have made lots of friends and fit in just fine. Not only that, but because I homeschooled I got a really good education, so I am exceeding in the academic aspect of college as well. As for missing out on things durring highschool- here are a few of the things that I missed out on: pressure to do drugs and drink, pressure to have adult realationships, the constand gosiping and stupid things teenage girls say and do, and the whole pressure to fit in thing. if you ask me, these are good things to miss out on. Now, you might say that because I missed out on these things, that I won't know how to deal with them now. Well, college is a lot like highschool in these respects and just to let you know, I'm doing just fine. one of the skills I learned in homeschooling was to learn from reading a textbook. This is very important in college because proffesors often do not teach from the text and you are expected to read and learn from the material on your own, and be able to take tests on that material. Most of my friends have a really hard time with this because all of their lives they have learned by listning to a teacher teach in front of the classroom and never had to actually learn from their text books. I have a very large advantage in this area. My advice to home school parents is to get your kids involved in a local homeschool group or youth group. These are what I was involved in and it was enough for me to learn the necesary "social skills" while still getting a great education. My advice to teenage homeschoolers is to think about getting a part time job. not only will you make some money, but you will make new friends and be able to get out of the house once in a while. I did this and enjoyed it very much. anyway, for all you people who rag on homeschoolers- stop talking about things you know nothing about!
Reply:Why does a child have to "fit in" anyways? Isn't this a violation of their individualism? A child should not have to be afraid of being themselves and forsaking themselves at the expense of trying to have to fit in. The conformism that goes on in public schools is very disturbing and will have its consequences on kids in the future if they cannot develop some sort of self identity without looking to other people first.
Homeschoolers have good social skills -- they know how to speak to others of all ages with respect, no degradation or bullying involved.
In this case I'd say homeschoolers are better off socially than their public school counterparts.
Reply:I had no social skills in school and lots of problems. Mind you I'm not the average kid, I have a personality disorder. But since I've started homeschooling I've had more time for therapy and focusing on getting better. I now love to socialize and am making friends. I also love that homeschooling gives me the time to take classes at the community college. I find I get along much better with people who are older than me and it is definitely teaching me to grow up. (I'm 16) At first homeschooling was bad for me but that was because I had no friends while I was in public school, just people I sometimes talked to. I homeschooled and I had nothing. But I found activities to do to get me out in the world. I don't think homeschooling has anything to do with social skills. I had mental health issues, that was the problem. Homeschooling is what helped restore my sanity.
Reply:My son made f's and d's in public school he is now enrolled in an online school through our state which is a public school also..he is now making a's and b's..the teachers couldnt give him the help he needed to learn in public school..children go to school to learn and when they no longer are learning then they need to be put in a school where they can learn if its a home school or another public school..The public schools can no longer teach our children what they need..My son is in the 8th grade and he meets children from all over our state they go on class field trips together once a month..you cant even get that at a public school.my son is home schooled and he still has 7 teachers encluding a home room teacher, he even takes gym class which requires a ymca pass..my son wasnt staying busy enough to suit me so his school gave him more class's and work, they gave him high school work and he even earns credits for high school..they have prom, graduation ceremonies, the only thing his school doesnt have is sports. My son go to school to learn and if there is time then he meets friends..
Reply:The social skills that non home schooled children are learning that homeschooled children arent learning is how to make friends outside of your environment and I don't mean with others who are homeschooled. I mean do homeschooled children go to prom for high school or take part in school sports teams or experience dating different people? No they don't they're around each other so much that I wouldnt put it past many who get sick of seeing the same people all the time and want their own friends outside of the same environment.
Reply:My daughter has a far better understanding of cultural studies than your average grade schooler. She has gone to various religous services (both in the appropriate house of worship as well as in private homes). She has spent time with a much wider age group than she would have otherwise and has friends that run from pre-k to high school, including children with autism, Downe's, cerebral palsey and more. She has been exposed to creationism, evolution and the scientific studies that support both of them. She spends at least two hours a day with her friends..both homeschooled and kids in traditional classes..and I have to say that the homeschooled kids tend to be far more open minded and accepting than the ones from public schools. None of her home schooled friends have ever made fun of her younger brother with autism, while in public school she was nearly beaten up when she rose to the defense of a friend with cerebral palsey.
Conflict and being belittled because of differences is not "part of growing up". In my mind it is part of the problem we see shaping our society. Letting children treat one another that way on the school yard and saying it is "typical schoolyard behavior" does not give us tolerant adults. It gives us adults who are not ready to face the diversity that will be part of their professional and parenting lives.
As for learning that being teased is part of life..she experienced that when she was in public school. She was constantly singled out as the only white, non-Christian child in her class. That is not the real world. In the real world, if you treated someone like that in a professional setting you could be fired or found guilty of violation of many different federal and local eoe laws and/or hate crimes. For all the adults who say that...stop and think of the one time in school when someone tore into you for something you truely were proud of or had no control over..the new outfit you loved that wasn't considered "cool". The fact you celebrated a holiday differently than someone else. Or how about the glassed you had or the braces on your teeth? Stop and remember that knot in your stomach, the burning feeling behind your eyes and the confusion you felt that someone else was being so mean over something you had no say in. Is that really something tha made you who you are today?? And is that really something you feel makes anyone a better person??
Reply:The only thing different, is that the kids in school, don't get the teacher's undivided attention! OMG! Isn't that aweful?
Reply:My friend is a schoolteacher who sometimes comes across homeschooled pupils who are now in senior school. She says they struggle to fit in with the other children, they need more help with their work and generally, stand out for this reason. No offense meant, I'm interested in this subject.
Reply:Even to answer this question would force one to draw upon stereotypes. I think a lot of it depends upon the homeschooling situation. If the children still interact with their peers through clubs, sports, etc., they will probably be fine. If a homeschooled child is basically raised in isolation, of course he/she will be socially inept. Of course, there are plenty of socially inept children in schools as well.
Reply:Many people say that homeschoolers are "socially retarded." I am homeschooled, but I'm not. Social skills are something that depends on the atmosphere. Since I was homeschooled I can talk to adults much more easily than my own age group. I have developed a respect for authority in doing this. When in public school you forget the sense of authority because you are facing teachers who many times will bow down to the kids.(or so my mother says) If one wants social skills I reccomend going into a sport or hobby that has other kids interested in the same thing. This is how I get my social skills through fencing.
Reply:They are lacking nothing. My guess is that the negative encounters spoken of here are preconceived notions on the part of the anti-homeschoolers coupled with the homeschooler(s) being in a new atmosphere. If one already has in their mind that homeschoolers are 'weird' then people will find something 'weird'.
I see that Nab fits in the double standard category quite nicely with her comment, "And I don't mean other homeschoolers". It's 'okay' to be in the school environment and make friends with ONLY people who are in the school, who they more than likely also partake in after school activities with but not okay for homeschoolers to make friends with other homeschoolers?
For the naysayers bringing up, "What about the prom? What about dances?" Tell you what, ask the school kids labeled 'nerds, geeks, and ugly' how thrilling the proms and dances are to them. ;-) Screw the prom and dances, big deal.
Reply:Personally i was home schooled and i loved it so did my brothers. I hate to admit it but there IS a negative side to the individuals social skills there are however some good things it teaches like the ability to work and figure things out on their own and using their own initiative to do work, because i was home schooled and then i went to college i did not fit in with the other students at first, however i did eventually adapt quite well to being part of a larger group (now i have the advantage of being able to work on my own AND in a group), mainly it was me, not them who had the problem, for example i wouldn't trust anyone to get their work done right or have good ideas because i relied on myself for a long time. In the long run if the kid is keeping in touch with other kids i don't think this would be a problem, but if they are kept out of school because they don't have friends or want to be on their own then the core of the problem is not in the school or home school debate, but the child's own mindset.
Basically, when home schooled, the only effect on a child is the ability to interact with others more effectively, it wont remove social skills it just wont develop them any further......until they go drinking!! lol
So in my opinion if they go to college and learn social skills there its still all good, maybe even an advantage.
Reply:i am so tired already of the what about the socaliation question and i have only been home schooling my son for a couple of months. i removed my son from school due to relentless bullying! i had numerous appointments with the school to get it sorted out, he was made to see psychologists. as well as a psychiatrist. who all said there was nothing wrong with him the school was at fault for not dealing with the problem. as a mom i was being bullied by the system for my son being bullied! we were being victimized for him being a victim. how can that be right? and how can that really be being taught socialization? we wont stay in a work place as adults if we are being bullied or harassed so why should we expect our children to do that?
Reply:Kids who are homeschooled typically don't have the same level of peer interaction than kids in school have. It depends on how outgoing the kid is as to the degree that it will affect him/her. I do think that homeschooled kids are often brighter and nicer.
Reply:You wanna know what's really funny about the whole socializa'mazation *argument"?
It isn't the real issue.
A "school" that is led by a principal and staffed by teachers is very small in comparison to the home-school ocean.
My students swim in the sea of real life every single day. They don't need to be boxed in by a gov't mandated building and by a set of social standards that are dictated by the current fads and media.
The fact is that social skills are not learned in a crowd. They are learned at tea-time with a perfectionist Brittish hostess. Our wonderful neighbor took the time to invite all of the neighbor children to her home for tea and crumpets. They were taught to use their utensils appropriately and to speak correctly. They had a wonderful time! Now they are all well on their way to surviving in the real world.
Reply:People who say home school children don't have any social skills are usually basing their opinion on the children who were forced to return to school because their parents weren't doing the job well. If you provide opportunities for your children to socialize, they will learn all the social skills they need. They may not grow the "thick skin" of children who are frequently teased, but then neither do some public school children. I have met some home schooled students while I was in college and I was impressed with thier ability to converse with different types of people (different personality types) and time management skills. They all did very well at my college and were much better prepared than most students.
Reply:They don't know what it is like to be teased for being short, tall, fat, skinny - for as silly as it sounds, THAT is part of growing up and living a well-rounded life. Kind of like when I wanted to know why I had to take economics? It's part of my well-rounded education. They miss out on all that interaction of every-day life.
Do you teach them about the Jewish holidays or explain the difference between black girl's hair and white girl's hair. These are the things they experience by getting out in the world and interacting for 6-7 hours a day with other children outside the cocoon you have them wrapped in.
Reply:P.E
Reply:I'm not sure why people focus on the socializing aspect of home-schooling, but it could be that years ago people would say that if you home-schooled your children they would not receive a good education. No-one seems to say that anymore, because home-schooling has an excellent accademic track record.
In fact you should tell people who bring up the socialization question that "SOCIALIZATION" is actually defined as the process by which the norms and standards of a society are passed from one generation to the next. I've never really thought that a complete stranger’s six-year old child would be a good source of information on the correct standards of behavior in our family or in society as a whole.
As for "SOCIALIZING", I think my home-schooled 9 year old has lots of social time - we complete all her school work in about 2 hours, she attends a home-school group on Mondays where she has a group of friends of all ages, dance classes on Tuesdays, Piano class and Girl Scouts on Wednesdays, Ice skating and choir practice every week. She also has been helping me to deliver Meals-on-Wheels since before she was 2 years old. Not many kids of 9 years old have been volunteering their time in their community for over 7 years!
In fact, my daughter is extremely fortunate never to have been bullied in the school yard, teased on the school bus, ridiculed for not having the right brand of blue-jeans, nor has she ever had a teacher who disliked her. I think this kind of Negative Socialization is what my daughter is missing - but I don't think its a big loss!
I think that most home-schooled children are extremely well socialized, and I have found that home-schooled children, in general, are well adjusted, articulate, confident and are comfortable conversing with adults.
When you think about it, the way that a typical school segregates children into single age groups for up to 13 years of their lives, is not natural. When you compare that to home-schooled children who are mingling with a wide age range of people, I think the home-schoolers become much more comfortable with society at large.
My daughter and I went to Europe for a month this spring and that was a wonderful experience for us both - I think she did considerably more "socializing" than if she had been cooped up in a classroom with 30 other nine year olds. She was exposed to both English and Norwegian cultures, customs, currency and language - that is real education!
Reply:GREAT QUESTION!!!!!!!! I'm 14 and home schooled,and home schoolers get tons of good socializing.Many people say that kids have to go through all the bullying,name-calling, teachers being mean to them,etc.in order to make it in the world,but what about the kids who had to deal with all that all through they're lives,do you think that they enjoyed school,or they're young adult lives? do you think that they'll tell they're kids that you have to go through all that in order to make it in the real world? NO.They'll always have the memories of wedgies,stuffed in lockers, being called awful names,and having to deal with teachers who didn't really care about them at all,and that ruins a child's social skills,cause they have had any self-esteem and respect,etc. crushed at an early age.Now, on to home schoolers.Some home schoolers don't have perfect social lives,but that's not because of where they were taught,that's just how they were born.I myself am a shy girl,but I go to art class once a week,and I have one best friends,and two other friends that I hang out with at art.I also feel comfortable talking to adults,and I have become friends with adults,and so even though it sounds like that I never talk to anyone and that I don't have a very good social life,I'm happy,I don't need 500 friends who I see everyday to make me happy,I'd be fine if I only had my best friend.home schoolers get positive socialization,and they have MORE time to actually experience the REAL WORLD then just siting i a classroom with 30 other kids the same age,listening to a teacher talk about some really boring subject.again,GREAT QUESTION!
Reply:It's a dog eat dog world out there... being in public schools has it's down falls but.... children learn to interact within a group every day... exposed to authority other than their parents... it's like the scale of the food chain... you fight for your place... they enter adult life and society ready... no surprises... equiped with what it takes to compete and suceed... Home schoolers are some what sheltered...
Reply:These students have no social skill that relate to their school age peers. They need interaction with people their own age, with out parents. Sorry to say but most home school children are just as bright as the of us that went to public school and did just as many diverse activities as you seem to have. I took drawing from real artist at the art museums (one of the u.s. major museums) We from public school just learned to cope with the real world though the eyes of other children. I know that as a student you can be snarkie to others and criticize but still be best friends. Boys tend to be friends not just boyfriends, so you have males to chat with at lunch.
I went to a private school for elementary but public school for high school. I would never home school my children because they they would miss the stuff that makes memories and friends for life.
Reply:kids learn to share better in school.
they learn how to deal with other kids.
how to take turns.
learn how other kids learn.
its a class with more students, therefore thats how the real world is.... i mean there are so many ways school is better and its so hard to actually explain. to me its common sense how its better.
What social skills?
Why is the phrase 'social skills' the first protest of public school defenders? What social skills do you learn at school that you don't learn elsewhere? It's not like homeschooled kids never interact with another human until they go to college.
Is learning to fight, swear, gossip, talk bad about authority, question your parents' morality, etc. important enough to you to force your kids into a failing school system?
If you have other reasons to public school, that's fine, but why criticize homeschooling with the social skills question?
What social skills?
Some "interesting" responses you've received so far.
I agree with Jeffrey P that it's the easiest to use. So much uninformed rationalizing can go on and people can remain absolutely convinced that they are absolutely right.
To those who say it's the parents who need to teach their kids not to swear, gossip, etc., parents can do their part, but since parents spend few waking hours during a school week with their children, it's what they get the rest of the time that can make the biggest difference, unfortunately. Kids are biologically wired to learn what's around them, to grow up to be like that. They naturally want to fit in and be like others and to expect most children under the age of 12 to truly reason things out and do things because they are the right things to do is ridiculous--it shows ignorance of child development.
I can only laugh at the comment of social skills being "compare your thinking with your classmates". Wow. Most adults are lacking social skills because they don't spend their lives in a classroom! How about all the presidents who did not go to school--were they dictators who were unable to consider the point of view of others? Oh and homeschooling doesn't offer you "seeing other people of your own age"--first of all, who says? My kids see kids their own age all the time. Secondly, who says that that's even important to a person's development? People go on and on about things they assume to be true because everybody says they're true, but there's absolutely no reason to believe that a child's long-term well-being and development are dependent upon seeing other people EXACTLY their age all the time.
It simply doesn't make sense--we spent thousands of years without a mass classroom setup. People didn't spend their lives locked in their houses and not interacting with others because they didn't go to school for 35 hours a week.
As for whosays' comment: yes, I am a teacher. I have spent 8-hour days in a school to know what they are really like. It is the reason I began thinking of homeschooling in the first place. My dh is also a teacher. He was having the same thoughts I was. Most parents have little time with their kids these days. I hear about it all the time from my dh who supposedly works in one of the best demographics in terms of schools in the city. The problem lies in the ones who don't have parents doing their job and being a huge influence on everybody else. It's basic psychology/sociology.
And whosays, there is no problem with parents teaching their kids. Surely you didn't hire someone to potty train your child? Or teach him to walk? Or talk? Or tie his shoes? Or count to 5? Why can't you teach him to count to 100? To write numbers? To read words? Why can't you talk to him about books that he reads? It's a shame that you have such a poor view of yourself as being capable of teaching your child. Credentials are about state accountability, not about capability. Many private schools do not require their teachers to have education degrees. Did you know that? And yet private schools tend to have better results than public schools. If teaching credentials were the only way to be able to teach your child anything, then private schools should have the worst-educated kids around. YOU should get a clue before harrassing somebody who actually does know what he's talking about.
"Even if [every public school is a failing system], it gives [kids] an opportunity to overcome adversity." O-M-G. Do you realize what you are saying? You know, people who are abused also have an opportunity to overcome adversity--should we purposefully abuse people? Look at the guy in Happyness--look what an opportunity he had by being homeless. Let's make everybody homeless so they can develop those character traits to become great people! Just because we can FIND some good in a bad situation does not mean that we should subject ANYBODY, much less children, to bad situations in order to--hopefully--develop some good.
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Whosays, *I* made no assumptions. *YOU* were the one who said that unless a parent has credentials, they aren't qualified to teach their child anything.
Reply:Stick with homeschooling. HS kids are more well-rounded than public school kids. Just the other day a 14 year old HS girl met me for the first time and we had the nicest conversation. I have never met a HS kid that couldn't carry on a conversation and interact with anyone of any age. I HAVE met PS kids who couldn't carry on a conversation if their lives depended on it. You are doing the right thing.
Reply:I don't think it's a matter of not interacting with another human being, but rather not interacting with people their own age. I think that's the big concern with homeschooling, however if they have friends and are involved in activities such as sports then I'm sure they're getting plenty of interaction. Be sure though to not focus on the negatives of public schooling (learning to fight, swear, gossip, talk bad about authority, question your parents' morality) to defend your stance because there are many good things about it as well.
Reply:The reason this is the most common argument against home-school is that it is the easiest. To the uninformed, they assume home-school kids are hermits, that they don't play sports, interact with kids their own age etc. If you are a home-schooler you know this is not true. They anti-homeschooling contingent also tends to exaggerate the importance of peer interaction, and minimize the importance of parents.
If the anti-home-schooler were honest, they would have much less support. As you know the main reason homeschooling is opposed is that it exposes the weakness of traditional public education. (That is not to say that one cannot get a good education by the traditional methods or that homeschooling is always superior.) The real issue is one of power and economics as are most publicly debated issues.
Reply:i have nothing against homeschooling. in fact i sometimes wish i was homeschooled. But i also wonder... If I was homeschooled and my only teacher was my mother, would'nt I only learn what she wanted to teach me? If that was the case, I'd be pretty screwed up right now. I know twice as much as my mom, but she still has one up on me... experience. experience is caused by life... trying and failing, making mistakes, doing things i shouldn't and learning FIRSTHAND why I shouldn't. It is something everyone will have to face one way or another. Luckily I had everyday of my life to learn that little by little, instead of all at once when I'm finally on my own in the really real world with nobody to turn to. but then again, i am PS so maybe I can't see the other side, but i do know many HS adults who really regreted it. NO MATTER WHAT YOU TEACH YOUR KIDS THEY WILL STILL BE SHAPED FROM REAL LIFE. THE LAST DAY OF HOMESCHOOL IS NOT THE END OF THE LINE. you cant program a child. IT LEARNS. it doesn't take commands like a computer. Shelter is only safe for a while until a real storm comes. Would you like your kids to be exactly like you, knowing only what you know, only thinking what you think, not making the mistakes you did, but making all the ones you didn't because they only know what you told them was real or true? If I called my mother right now she would say how happy she was that I learned what i did in PS. But i have to give her all the credit for teaching me how to learn what i did. sometimes you have to learn from people other than the ones who care about you most. they are unbiased as a whole because you have many options to choose from. My Mommy told me the world is flat and ther's nothing you can do about it! I am only 23 though, and still haven't lived long enough to say that what i know is what really is. Keep your kid homeschooled. they won't be able to handle the change.
Reply:"But seriously, children in schools learn their social skills from other children. Are we raising people to act like children or to act like adults? EVERYONE wants kids to learn to behave, but they spend all day learning from each other and parents have evenings and weekends to try to correct that"
Amen to that original poster.
Homeschoolers have plenty of opportunity to express themselves with others. Our kids are around other children, but usually under supervision.
They have intellegent conversations/debates/discussions with others they encounter.
As a matter of fact, most of the homeschooling children I know are very outgoing and expressive. At the same time, they aren't afraid to stand up for their Christian beliefs. Children do NOT have to be placed into public school systems in order for them to be "socialized". The family unit is the most important unit there is.
Sending our children to public school isn't for this family. I've heard of MANY inappropriate behaviors that are going on in the public school from children going there. With my kids here at home, I do have a say so over what they are being subjected to and I'm able to know first hand what's happening.
I don't think homeschooling is for everyone, but if God has lead someone to do so, then it will be blessed if they're doing it for the right reasons.
Reply:Your fishing for something
-that's why its called fishing, not catching
my take (has been and still is) why go through all this extra effort of home schooling to get almost as good an education at 5 times the effort? By the same logic you would have home dentistry, home OB/GYN, make your own TV shows, make your own church
What does going through 'home schooling' teach your kids? Maybe 'you are too good for the rest of the world' or ' the rest of world is not good enough for you' or 'when you don't like some institution, you can quit and e a hr emit' ? If its not one of these, then what does 'home schooling' say about you?
I think your kids (if they are excelling at homeschooling) would also excell at public school. You and your family would have been (and should have been) an excellent asset to your public schools' community. To be a little Biblical, you are burying 'your talents/gifts' in your 'backyard' not multiplying them by sharing them in the Creator's World
Unless you are doing something at home that requires you to hide your kids at home, you should not be scared to send them to school
severe medical conditions excluded
Reply:I'm homeschooled and my social skills are fine.
Reply:social skills is not gossiping, swearing, talking bad about authority. it's about learning to express your opinion among people, debate, compare your thinking with your classmates, seeing other people of your own age and how they interact with each other. homeschoolong does not offer you that. you have education but only your opinion.
Reply:Since you're taking extreme generalizations, I'll do the same.
Home schooled kids typically never talk to anyone but their immediate family. That's the problem.
Going to a regular school, whether public or private, allows interaction with many different types of people and gives them the life experiences most people have.
Interacting with kids their own age is important. It shapes their life experiences because they learn how to make friends easier, have the opportunity to overcome shyness, go through puberty and dealing with the opposite sex when any mistakes can be chalked up to age with the opportunity to get better. Dealing with bullies, people they don't like, etc. All are good experiences to learn b/c they'll likely run into these people either in college, or out in the real world. They can also learn by seeing how other kids react to these situations, and decide which ones work for them. You also get the common experiences such as cheering for your school's team, school dances, etc. Later on, chatting by the watercooler, the kid won't feel so left out.
They also deal with more adults. If there's a bad teacher, a good teacher, manipulating a teacher, etc. These skills translate later on to professors in college or supervisors at a job.
Finally, they learn a different point of view besides their parents. Whether it's educational subjects or simply life subjects, this can be helpful. Should they get married, there's less of a chance for friction btw the spouse and the in-laws b/c of too much dependence by the person who was home schooled to his parents.
Not every public school is a failing system. Even if it is, it gives them an opportunity to overcome adversity. At the very least, it gives them a real world view of how life isn't always so rosy. Being overly sheltered is a real problem with kids today. Yes, whether they go to traditional school or not, it's a problem. However, simply counting the time the kid can be sheltered by a parent puts the home schooler at risk for this more than a kid who gets away from his parents for a bit.
My sister was home schooled for some time. I've met a decent number of home schooled kids. The lack of social skills and the ability to interact smoothly with others is definitely a common problem that an objective observer can see. If you're in the US, social interaction (and office politics, if you will) are a huge factor in life, especially in the rat race. In many cases, it can even trump actual knowledge. If someone is lacking some basic social skills, it can really hurt them at their job and life in general.
Reply:Well I'll I can do is talk from my experience, so here it goes. I was only home-schooled until I was eight years old ( I'm fifteen now).
%26amp; I truly wish with all my heart that I still could be, unfortunately though my parents divorced %26amp; then I was put into a boarding school, %26amp; now I'm currently in a private highschool. But if I were to choose the one that I thought educated me the most, it would most definitely be when I was home-schooled. Mainly beause it enhanced my curiosity, about everything, while the other two curbed it.
Reply:It's based off the assumption that homeschooled kids sit in the "school room" with mom in the front eight hours a day, every day, and then have four to six hours of homework. In other words, that they recreate school at home. You have a locker in your bedroom, you can't go outside without some equivalent of a hall pass and you never see anyone less than twenty years older than you.
What people usually think homeschooling is IS bad. However, plenty of kids go through the public school system and turn out fine. Part of being a teenager is swearing, fighting, trashing authority and questioning your parents' morals. It's called testing the waters and growing up. The vast majority of us get in to one fistfight, get scared sh*tless and never fight again. We get smashed on cheap rum one night, get scared, and don't do it again. We're all teenagers in the end. Homeschooling or not, you will curse because you're fifteen. You'll question your parents' morality because you're growing up.
You can't change the facts of life.
Reply:I'll take issue with you on your statement that teachers have lower IQs because it just ain't so. The fact is, rocket scientists make lousy teachers. They may be good at scientific research, but they don't know the first thing about how to help others learn how to do it. Or even more difficult to help others learn how to learn. If you ever went to university, you probably had a couple of profs who were experts in their field, but you didn't learn diddly-squat from them. The teaching in those classes was done in tutorials led by graduate students. And even then, most of the learning was done by the student, who had to figure out how to digest the information s/he was being fed, and do it mostly by him or herself. A few good teachers could revolutionize university classes.
Reply:Are you a teacher? Do you spend an eight hour day inside a school to know what one is really like? Until you do do not criticize it. Whose job do you think it is to teach kids not to fight, swear, gossip, respect authority, and anything else you might have listed in your question? When did parents stop being responsible for raising their children, and it became the job of the schools? You know nothing.
As for social skills, I can tell a huge difference in my childs social development since he's been in school. He speaks in longer, more thought out sentences. He attempts things he wouldn't have dreamed about prior. Being an only child and grandchild he was only around adults most of the time. I didn't realize what he was lacking socially until he started school.
Now, as far as public schooling itself is concerned. Teachers are there to teach children, and to reinforce right and wrong when needed. I'm speaking of lower grades here. Do you expect parents to do nothing while a teacher raises a parent's child? It makes it really hard when teacher's have to take time out of what they are doing to take care of a problem that's a result of parents that have no business being parents to begin with. The administration has many things to do to keep a school running. Its a shame that discipline promlems are the way they are. This takes time away from their day, and is again the result of the parents not doing their jobs.
The BIGGEST problem with home schooling, however, is the parent teaching his/her child. Are you a teacher? Do you have the proper training to give your child the education he/she needs for when college time comes? Unless you are then you are not in the least bit qualified to be teaching your child anything. If that were the case than we'd be switching professions whenever we felt like it regardless of training. Be it a public or a private school, a child needs to be educated by a person that has the credentials to do it. NOT by some parent on a soapbox that thinks he's making a point, but really hasn't a clue in the world about what he's talking about.
Reply:The problem is that many people learn their social skills ONLY from schools, and that is a bad thing.
Reply:Wow what a lot of wasted time and energy over something that can't be changed.
We are never going to change the opinions of these ignorant people and the ignorant people will never be able to do a thing about us homeschooling,so why don't we all agree to disagree and be done with it.
I see the same argument over and over.They say we can't teach but our children's grades say otherwise.They then try the socializing line, and we come back with all the social activities our kids do with children of their own ages and also older, younger and adults. They are still not satisfied, and they never will be, and they don't need to be. We do NOT need their approval to home school and we never will, so let them preach their opinions if they want to but remember if theres no-one listening to it then it means nothing. Do not let it bother you, thats why they keep going, don't add fuel to the fire and it won't burn anymore.
Reply:I do NOT know...it does drive me crazy though, because it's such a general assumption of people who don't even know many homeschoolers.
To rebut some argument
We are our children's first teacher. If I'm qualified to give birth, teach them to walk, talk, eat, potty, how am i less qualified to teach anything else that I could read in a book? I have spent eight hours a day in a school, for thirteen years, plus five years in college to get my BS and another two in college to start an education program. I quit because what they taught was crap (esp the class where we were taught how to keep parents out of the classroom, it's amazing what a club it is...they def changed when they found out I was a parent). It is a parents job to teach EVERY thing, in the end, we are the ones who have to justify what our children know...the schools are totally exempt. The parents stopped taking responsibility when schools started saying that we were not qualified to teach them anything. Complain about how they won't teach their kids manners, but your whole attitude says that parents don't know anything and can't teach anything. There is a very big paradox there.
As far as social skills...there is a big developmental difference from three to six. any child would start speaking in longer sentences, etc etc. You should have learned that in your teacher education classes. Most homeschoolers are much more involved in insuring that kids are active in the world.
As far as teaching my children, not only do I know every topic they need to know from learning it, I probably knew most of it better than the teachers my kids had in school. Esp in elementary when they don't have to know subjects, just the 'science' of teaching, how to teach whatever curriculum the school provides. Prime example was my fourth grader asking questions about algebra. The teacher had no idea how to do any algebra, she hadn't had to since college. Instead of figuring it out, or telling my son that he could go to the library or even to the math gifted teacher, she told him algebra was 'too hard' for kids and that he would have to wait for high school to learn it. What the heck is that teaching him? You can bet the first thing he wanted to learn was algebra when he started homeschooling. We got a book and he learned all preconcepts and the entire book in less than two months.
You have made a very gross assumption on how educated or well-trained homeschooling parents are, and it's very much OFF topic from the question, which was about social skills.
I figure that people are so caught up in social skills, that they won't differentiate between GOOD social skills and BAD social skills. The kids we saw at the science museum had social skills, awful ones! They pushed and shoved each other out of the way at the water fountain, screamed and threw stuff at each other, climbed all over equipment that had specific signs (I guess they hadn't learned to read yet) While walking it was quite important to trip and shove each other to the ground, and the more your opponent bled the better you were. Wow. Those are the skills that will help them function in the real world (sarcasm for those lacking in social skills). My 6 and 7 yo daughters were able to get in line, and wait patiently. They were able to tell who they could stand up to when people were cutting, and were ironically gracious to the big bullies who probably would have hurt them for not letting them cut. My five yo was able to do the same at some of the set-ups...and even my autistic children were doing better at social skills than these hooligans aged 2nd grade through probably sixth.
People are invested in maintaining the falsity that public schools are important for social skills. They have to be because if they weren't they couldn't justify it just for the academics. although I have know plenty of people that I agree should NOT homeschool.
Reply:My wife and I are home schooling our two girls. They are currently in grades 9 and 10.
My kids teach music appreciation and beginning recorder for their music teacher to other kids. They are leaders in their 4H club. They are active in the Life Teen group at our church. Something tells me that they have social skills.
We are members of several home school groups. One of these groups has more than 50 families, so we are not isolated. The kids that I have met are joys to be around. Most are very active in their communities. I think that you will find most home schooled kids to be more socially adept in various age levels as opposed to just their own peer/age group. The fact that their parents are actively involved in their schooling and life is what accomplishes this.
I do not have to worry about my kids doing drugs, or getting involved in gangs. This comes from active parent involvement and knowing who your kids are associating with. Home schooling facilitates this.
I am sure there are some home schooled kids that are isolated, but you will find that in society in general.
Reply:I think it's allowing kids to interact with diversity (in many forms) before they are too old to "adjust" accordingly. Can't teach an old dog new tricks, as they say.
Is learning to fight, swear, gossip, talk bad about authority, question your parents' morality, etc. important enough to you to force your kids into a failing school system?
If you have other reasons to public school, that's fine, but why criticize homeschooling with the social skills question?
What social skills?
Some "interesting" responses you've received so far.
I agree with Jeffrey P that it's the easiest to use. So much uninformed rationalizing can go on and people can remain absolutely convinced that they are absolutely right.
To those who say it's the parents who need to teach their kids not to swear, gossip, etc., parents can do their part, but since parents spend few waking hours during a school week with their children, it's what they get the rest of the time that can make the biggest difference, unfortunately. Kids are biologically wired to learn what's around them, to grow up to be like that. They naturally want to fit in and be like others and to expect most children under the age of 12 to truly reason things out and do things because they are the right things to do is ridiculous--it shows ignorance of child development.
I can only laugh at the comment of social skills being "compare your thinking with your classmates". Wow. Most adults are lacking social skills because they don't spend their lives in a classroom! How about all the presidents who did not go to school--were they dictators who were unable to consider the point of view of others? Oh and homeschooling doesn't offer you "seeing other people of your own age"--first of all, who says? My kids see kids their own age all the time. Secondly, who says that that's even important to a person's development? People go on and on about things they assume to be true because everybody says they're true, but there's absolutely no reason to believe that a child's long-term well-being and development are dependent upon seeing other people EXACTLY their age all the time.
It simply doesn't make sense--we spent thousands of years without a mass classroom setup. People didn't spend their lives locked in their houses and not interacting with others because they didn't go to school for 35 hours a week.
As for whosays' comment: yes, I am a teacher. I have spent 8-hour days in a school to know what they are really like. It is the reason I began thinking of homeschooling in the first place. My dh is also a teacher. He was having the same thoughts I was. Most parents have little time with their kids these days. I hear about it all the time from my dh who supposedly works in one of the best demographics in terms of schools in the city. The problem lies in the ones who don't have parents doing their job and being a huge influence on everybody else. It's basic psychology/sociology.
And whosays, there is no problem with parents teaching their kids. Surely you didn't hire someone to potty train your child? Or teach him to walk? Or talk? Or tie his shoes? Or count to 5? Why can't you teach him to count to 100? To write numbers? To read words? Why can't you talk to him about books that he reads? It's a shame that you have such a poor view of yourself as being capable of teaching your child. Credentials are about state accountability, not about capability. Many private schools do not require their teachers to have education degrees. Did you know that? And yet private schools tend to have better results than public schools. If teaching credentials were the only way to be able to teach your child anything, then private schools should have the worst-educated kids around. YOU should get a clue before harrassing somebody who actually does know what he's talking about.
"Even if [every public school is a failing system], it gives [kids] an opportunity to overcome adversity." O-M-G. Do you realize what you are saying? You know, people who are abused also have an opportunity to overcome adversity--should we purposefully abuse people? Look at the guy in Happyness--look what an opportunity he had by being homeless. Let's make everybody homeless so they can develop those character traits to become great people! Just because we can FIND some good in a bad situation does not mean that we should subject ANYBODY, much less children, to bad situations in order to--hopefully--develop some good.
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Whosays, *I* made no assumptions. *YOU* were the one who said that unless a parent has credentials, they aren't qualified to teach their child anything.
Reply:Stick with homeschooling. HS kids are more well-rounded than public school kids. Just the other day a 14 year old HS girl met me for the first time and we had the nicest conversation. I have never met a HS kid that couldn't carry on a conversation and interact with anyone of any age. I HAVE met PS kids who couldn't carry on a conversation if their lives depended on it. You are doing the right thing.
Reply:I don't think it's a matter of not interacting with another human being, but rather not interacting with people their own age. I think that's the big concern with homeschooling, however if they have friends and are involved in activities such as sports then I'm sure they're getting plenty of interaction. Be sure though to not focus on the negatives of public schooling (learning to fight, swear, gossip, talk bad about authority, question your parents' morality) to defend your stance because there are many good things about it as well.
Reply:The reason this is the most common argument against home-school is that it is the easiest. To the uninformed, they assume home-school kids are hermits, that they don't play sports, interact with kids their own age etc. If you are a home-schooler you know this is not true. They anti-homeschooling contingent also tends to exaggerate the importance of peer interaction, and minimize the importance of parents.
If the anti-home-schooler were honest, they would have much less support. As you know the main reason homeschooling is opposed is that it exposes the weakness of traditional public education. (That is not to say that one cannot get a good education by the traditional methods or that homeschooling is always superior.) The real issue is one of power and economics as are most publicly debated issues.
Reply:i have nothing against homeschooling. in fact i sometimes wish i was homeschooled. But i also wonder... If I was homeschooled and my only teacher was my mother, would'nt I only learn what she wanted to teach me? If that was the case, I'd be pretty screwed up right now. I know twice as much as my mom, but she still has one up on me... experience. experience is caused by life... trying and failing, making mistakes, doing things i shouldn't and learning FIRSTHAND why I shouldn't. It is something everyone will have to face one way or another. Luckily I had everyday of my life to learn that little by little, instead of all at once when I'm finally on my own in the really real world with nobody to turn to. but then again, i am PS so maybe I can't see the other side, but i do know many HS adults who really regreted it. NO MATTER WHAT YOU TEACH YOUR KIDS THEY WILL STILL BE SHAPED FROM REAL LIFE. THE LAST DAY OF HOMESCHOOL IS NOT THE END OF THE LINE. you cant program a child. IT LEARNS. it doesn't take commands like a computer. Shelter is only safe for a while until a real storm comes. Would you like your kids to be exactly like you, knowing only what you know, only thinking what you think, not making the mistakes you did, but making all the ones you didn't because they only know what you told them was real or true? If I called my mother right now she would say how happy she was that I learned what i did in PS. But i have to give her all the credit for teaching me how to learn what i did. sometimes you have to learn from people other than the ones who care about you most. they are unbiased as a whole because you have many options to choose from. My Mommy told me the world is flat and ther's nothing you can do about it! I am only 23 though, and still haven't lived long enough to say that what i know is what really is. Keep your kid homeschooled. they won't be able to handle the change.
Reply:"But seriously, children in schools learn their social skills from other children. Are we raising people to act like children or to act like adults? EVERYONE wants kids to learn to behave, but they spend all day learning from each other and parents have evenings and weekends to try to correct that"
Amen to that original poster.
Homeschoolers have plenty of opportunity to express themselves with others. Our kids are around other children, but usually under supervision.
They have intellegent conversations/debates/discussions with others they encounter.
As a matter of fact, most of the homeschooling children I know are very outgoing and expressive. At the same time, they aren't afraid to stand up for their Christian beliefs. Children do NOT have to be placed into public school systems in order for them to be "socialized". The family unit is the most important unit there is.
Sending our children to public school isn't for this family. I've heard of MANY inappropriate behaviors that are going on in the public school from children going there. With my kids here at home, I do have a say so over what they are being subjected to and I'm able to know first hand what's happening.
I don't think homeschooling is for everyone, but if God has lead someone to do so, then it will be blessed if they're doing it for the right reasons.
Reply:Your fishing for something
-that's why its called fishing, not catching
my take (has been and still is) why go through all this extra effort of home schooling to get almost as good an education at 5 times the effort? By the same logic you would have home dentistry, home OB/GYN, make your own TV shows, make your own church
What does going through 'home schooling' teach your kids? Maybe 'you are too good for the rest of the world' or ' the rest of world is not good enough for you' or 'when you don't like some institution, you can quit and e a hr emit' ? If its not one of these, then what does 'home schooling' say about you?
I think your kids (if they are excelling at homeschooling) would also excell at public school. You and your family would have been (and should have been) an excellent asset to your public schools' community. To be a little Biblical, you are burying 'your talents/gifts' in your 'backyard' not multiplying them by sharing them in the Creator's World
Unless you are doing something at home that requires you to hide your kids at home, you should not be scared to send them to school
severe medical conditions excluded
Reply:I'm homeschooled and my social skills are fine.
Reply:social skills is not gossiping, swearing, talking bad about authority. it's about learning to express your opinion among people, debate, compare your thinking with your classmates, seeing other people of your own age and how they interact with each other. homeschoolong does not offer you that. you have education but only your opinion.
Reply:Since you're taking extreme generalizations, I'll do the same.
Home schooled kids typically never talk to anyone but their immediate family. That's the problem.
Going to a regular school, whether public or private, allows interaction with many different types of people and gives them the life experiences most people have.
Interacting with kids their own age is important. It shapes their life experiences because they learn how to make friends easier, have the opportunity to overcome shyness, go through puberty and dealing with the opposite sex when any mistakes can be chalked up to age with the opportunity to get better. Dealing with bullies, people they don't like, etc. All are good experiences to learn b/c they'll likely run into these people either in college, or out in the real world. They can also learn by seeing how other kids react to these situations, and decide which ones work for them. You also get the common experiences such as cheering for your school's team, school dances, etc. Later on, chatting by the watercooler, the kid won't feel so left out.
They also deal with more adults. If there's a bad teacher, a good teacher, manipulating a teacher, etc. These skills translate later on to professors in college or supervisors at a job.
Finally, they learn a different point of view besides their parents. Whether it's educational subjects or simply life subjects, this can be helpful. Should they get married, there's less of a chance for friction btw the spouse and the in-laws b/c of too much dependence by the person who was home schooled to his parents.
Not every public school is a failing system. Even if it is, it gives them an opportunity to overcome adversity. At the very least, it gives them a real world view of how life isn't always so rosy. Being overly sheltered is a real problem with kids today. Yes, whether they go to traditional school or not, it's a problem. However, simply counting the time the kid can be sheltered by a parent puts the home schooler at risk for this more than a kid who gets away from his parents for a bit.
My sister was home schooled for some time. I've met a decent number of home schooled kids. The lack of social skills and the ability to interact smoothly with others is definitely a common problem that an objective observer can see. If you're in the US, social interaction (and office politics, if you will) are a huge factor in life, especially in the rat race. In many cases, it can even trump actual knowledge. If someone is lacking some basic social skills, it can really hurt them at their job and life in general.
Reply:Well I'll I can do is talk from my experience, so here it goes. I was only home-schooled until I was eight years old ( I'm fifteen now).
%26amp; I truly wish with all my heart that I still could be, unfortunately though my parents divorced %26amp; then I was put into a boarding school, %26amp; now I'm currently in a private highschool. But if I were to choose the one that I thought educated me the most, it would most definitely be when I was home-schooled. Mainly beause it enhanced my curiosity, about everything, while the other two curbed it.
Reply:It's based off the assumption that homeschooled kids sit in the "school room" with mom in the front eight hours a day, every day, and then have four to six hours of homework. In other words, that they recreate school at home. You have a locker in your bedroom, you can't go outside without some equivalent of a hall pass and you never see anyone less than twenty years older than you.
What people usually think homeschooling is IS bad. However, plenty of kids go through the public school system and turn out fine. Part of being a teenager is swearing, fighting, trashing authority and questioning your parents' morals. It's called testing the waters and growing up. The vast majority of us get in to one fistfight, get scared sh*tless and never fight again. We get smashed on cheap rum one night, get scared, and don't do it again. We're all teenagers in the end. Homeschooling or not, you will curse because you're fifteen. You'll question your parents' morality because you're growing up.
You can't change the facts of life.
Reply:I'll take issue with you on your statement that teachers have lower IQs because it just ain't so. The fact is, rocket scientists make lousy teachers. They may be good at scientific research, but they don't know the first thing about how to help others learn how to do it. Or even more difficult to help others learn how to learn. If you ever went to university, you probably had a couple of profs who were experts in their field, but you didn't learn diddly-squat from them. The teaching in those classes was done in tutorials led by graduate students. And even then, most of the learning was done by the student, who had to figure out how to digest the information s/he was being fed, and do it mostly by him or herself. A few good teachers could revolutionize university classes.
Reply:Are you a teacher? Do you spend an eight hour day inside a school to know what one is really like? Until you do do not criticize it. Whose job do you think it is to teach kids not to fight, swear, gossip, respect authority, and anything else you might have listed in your question? When did parents stop being responsible for raising their children, and it became the job of the schools? You know nothing.
As for social skills, I can tell a huge difference in my childs social development since he's been in school. He speaks in longer, more thought out sentences. He attempts things he wouldn't have dreamed about prior. Being an only child and grandchild he was only around adults most of the time. I didn't realize what he was lacking socially until he started school.
Now, as far as public schooling itself is concerned. Teachers are there to teach children, and to reinforce right and wrong when needed. I'm speaking of lower grades here. Do you expect parents to do nothing while a teacher raises a parent's child? It makes it really hard when teacher's have to take time out of what they are doing to take care of a problem that's a result of parents that have no business being parents to begin with. The administration has many things to do to keep a school running. Its a shame that discipline promlems are the way they are. This takes time away from their day, and is again the result of the parents not doing their jobs.
The BIGGEST problem with home schooling, however, is the parent teaching his/her child. Are you a teacher? Do you have the proper training to give your child the education he/she needs for when college time comes? Unless you are then you are not in the least bit qualified to be teaching your child anything. If that were the case than we'd be switching professions whenever we felt like it regardless of training. Be it a public or a private school, a child needs to be educated by a person that has the credentials to do it. NOT by some parent on a soapbox that thinks he's making a point, but really hasn't a clue in the world about what he's talking about.
Reply:The problem is that many people learn their social skills ONLY from schools, and that is a bad thing.
Reply:Wow what a lot of wasted time and energy over something that can't be changed.
We are never going to change the opinions of these ignorant people and the ignorant people will never be able to do a thing about us homeschooling,so why don't we all agree to disagree and be done with it.
I see the same argument over and over.They say we can't teach but our children's grades say otherwise.They then try the socializing line, and we come back with all the social activities our kids do with children of their own ages and also older, younger and adults. They are still not satisfied, and they never will be, and they don't need to be. We do NOT need their approval to home school and we never will, so let them preach their opinions if they want to but remember if theres no-one listening to it then it means nothing. Do not let it bother you, thats why they keep going, don't add fuel to the fire and it won't burn anymore.
Reply:I do NOT know...it does drive me crazy though, because it's such a general assumption of people who don't even know many homeschoolers.
To rebut some argument
We are our children's first teacher. If I'm qualified to give birth, teach them to walk, talk, eat, potty, how am i less qualified to teach anything else that I could read in a book? I have spent eight hours a day in a school, for thirteen years, plus five years in college to get my BS and another two in college to start an education program. I quit because what they taught was crap (esp the class where we were taught how to keep parents out of the classroom, it's amazing what a club it is...they def changed when they found out I was a parent). It is a parents job to teach EVERY thing, in the end, we are the ones who have to justify what our children know...the schools are totally exempt. The parents stopped taking responsibility when schools started saying that we were not qualified to teach them anything. Complain about how they won't teach their kids manners, but your whole attitude says that parents don't know anything and can't teach anything. There is a very big paradox there.
As far as social skills...there is a big developmental difference from three to six. any child would start speaking in longer sentences, etc etc. You should have learned that in your teacher education classes. Most homeschoolers are much more involved in insuring that kids are active in the world.
As far as teaching my children, not only do I know every topic they need to know from learning it, I probably knew most of it better than the teachers my kids had in school. Esp in elementary when they don't have to know subjects, just the 'science' of teaching, how to teach whatever curriculum the school provides. Prime example was my fourth grader asking questions about algebra. The teacher had no idea how to do any algebra, she hadn't had to since college. Instead of figuring it out, or telling my son that he could go to the library or even to the math gifted teacher, she told him algebra was 'too hard' for kids and that he would have to wait for high school to learn it. What the heck is that teaching him? You can bet the first thing he wanted to learn was algebra when he started homeschooling. We got a book and he learned all preconcepts and the entire book in less than two months.
You have made a very gross assumption on how educated or well-trained homeschooling parents are, and it's very much OFF topic from the question, which was about social skills.
I figure that people are so caught up in social skills, that they won't differentiate between GOOD social skills and BAD social skills. The kids we saw at the science museum had social skills, awful ones! They pushed and shoved each other out of the way at the water fountain, screamed and threw stuff at each other, climbed all over equipment that had specific signs (I guess they hadn't learned to read yet) While walking it was quite important to trip and shove each other to the ground, and the more your opponent bled the better you were. Wow. Those are the skills that will help them function in the real world (sarcasm for those lacking in social skills). My 6 and 7 yo daughters were able to get in line, and wait patiently. They were able to tell who they could stand up to when people were cutting, and were ironically gracious to the big bullies who probably would have hurt them for not letting them cut. My five yo was able to do the same at some of the set-ups...and even my autistic children were doing better at social skills than these hooligans aged 2nd grade through probably sixth.
People are invested in maintaining the falsity that public schools are important for social skills. They have to be because if they weren't they couldn't justify it just for the academics. although I have know plenty of people that I agree should NOT homeschool.
Reply:My wife and I are home schooling our two girls. They are currently in grades 9 and 10.
My kids teach music appreciation and beginning recorder for their music teacher to other kids. They are leaders in their 4H club. They are active in the Life Teen group at our church. Something tells me that they have social skills.
We are members of several home school groups. One of these groups has more than 50 families, so we are not isolated. The kids that I have met are joys to be around. Most are very active in their communities. I think that you will find most home schooled kids to be more socially adept in various age levels as opposed to just their own peer/age group. The fact that their parents are actively involved in their schooling and life is what accomplishes this.
I do not have to worry about my kids doing drugs, or getting involved in gangs. This comes from active parent involvement and knowing who your kids are associating with. Home schooling facilitates this.
I am sure there are some home schooled kids that are isolated, but you will find that in society in general.
Reply:I think it's allowing kids to interact with diversity (in many forms) before they are too old to "adjust" accordingly. Can't teach an old dog new tricks, as they say.
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